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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #39256 on: November 11, 2024, 03:53:52 PM »
The party that controls the WH has enormous power/influence.  A President makes over 4,000 appointments and many may go to folks who supported him in the campaign.  Think about all the ambassadorships to places like Belize or Laos.  Cushy nice job with status, nothing much to "do".  Then we have the assistant undersecretary for commerce and his ilk.  And yes, all most care about is getting reelected, or keeping their team in power.  I've said before I think the "System" is broken, and there is no fix.

The debt at some point will collapse us if we don't go down before that.  Debt service is now over a trillion a year.

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« Reply #39257 on: November 11, 2024, 04:13:04 PM »
Military service among politicians is an interesting issue. World War I was short for US involvement, although it was exceptionally deadly given that short time period. Most people in the military--particularly non-career military (and we don't have an especially strong history of retired military moving into politics)--will be between the ages of 18 and 30 (probably more like 18-25). But when WWII took place, we had a total mobilization, so the overwhelming majority of men born between 1911 and 1927 served in some capacity. Following WWII, men running for political office were very likely to have served, and at the Presidential level, once Ike completed his second term of service, forty nine years after the beginning of the WWII generation (1911), it's unsurprising that most of the men running for that office had served. Once you get to 1993, WWII vets would have been in the 66+ range, so getting pretty old for office (historically speaking). In the meantime, fewer people served in Korea. However, at that time (the early 90s), we still had many, many elected officials who had served in WWII (or Korea) and hadn't yet retired. 

Which was also when questions about Vietnam service were big in politics. Unlike the total mobilization of WWII, the mobilization and draft for Vietnam resulted in a higher percentage of privileged young men avoiding service. So when those people were running for office (and it's mostly privileged people who end up running for office), there were lots of questions about whether, how, and why they did or did not serve. There were still many WWII vets in office, but it was then time for the Boomers to take the reins, and the Boomer's had a much different experience with mobilization than their parents' generation. So whereas service was practically compulsory for the Greatest Generation, and thus most of them had served, committment to country became a big questionmark for the Boomers

During that period between 1960 and 1993 there were many electeds who were not just vets, but had served heroically. Kennedy and G.H.W. Bush chief among them, but others in Congress also fit the bill, like Daniel Inouye. In the Boomer generation there were some as well, like Bob Kerrey. For the Boomers, military service wasn't a litmus test, but it was strange for the voting public to transition from the vets of the WWII generation, to the Boomer politicians, so military service was still looked at closely, and lots of the Boomer politicians did serve. But then people started trying to differentiate that service, which--maybe because I'm a non-combat vet--I find very distasteful.

Since the end of the Vietnam-era draft, military service has been voluntary, and the military has remained much smaller, meaning there are far fewer people who served. Unsurprisingly, there are far fewer elected leaders with military service. At this point, anyone who has served did so of their own volition when most of their peers did not, so who cares whether they were in supply, comms, or the infantry? Well, extra points for the infantry, but still points for the supply clerks. (FWIW, I was in a combat branch, but not the infantry).

But I digress.

All of which is to say: happy Veterans' Day to those who served. :-)

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« Reply #39258 on: November 11, 2024, 04:16:21 PM »
Also, back to your regularly scheduled politics--and appropos of CD's comments--it appears that the new regime is putting together a large tax cut, which will please the people who are benefitted, but will further escalate that debt.

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« Reply #39259 on: November 11, 2024, 04:33:58 PM »
The party that controls the WH has enormous power/influence.  A President makes over 4,000 appointments and many may go to folks who supported him in the campaign.  Think about all the ambassadorships to places like Belize or Laos.  Cushy nice job with status, nothing much to "do".  Then we have the assistant undersecretary for commerce and his ilk.  And yes, all most care about is getting reelected, or keeping their team in power.  I've said before I think the "System" is broken, and there is no fix.

The debt at some point will collapse us if we don't go down before that.  Debt service is now over a trillion a year.
The main points or promises Trump made concern Border protection improvments, Tax cuts, use of tariffs to increase business in the US, increased natural gas production, end Ukraine war before inauguration day, large deportation of illegal immigrants, cut federal funding to schools teaching CRT and transgender matters, roll back Bidens electric car incentives, end taxes on tips, no taxes on social security income, replace Obamacare and expand the child tax credit.

Hes got his work cut out for him
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« Reply #39260 on: November 11, 2024, 04:36:36 PM »
Also, back to your regularly scheduled politics--and appropos of CD's comments--it appears that the new regime is putting together a large tax cut, which will please the people who are benefitted, but will further escalate that debt.
I think the assumption here is that tax revenue will increase from this from the stimulation of business
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« Reply #39261 on: November 11, 2024, 04:49:52 PM »
The main points or promises Trump made concern Border protection improvments, Tax cuts, use of tariffs to increase business in the US, increased natural gas production, end Ukraine war before inauguration day, large deportation of illegal immigrants, cut federal funding to schools teaching CRT and transgender matters, roll back Bidens electric car incentives, end taxes on tips, no taxes on social security income, replace Obamacare and expand the child tax credit.

Hes got his work cut out for him
cut federal funding to schools teaching CRT and transgender matters, roll back Bidens electric car incentives

These seem to be very small items that won't change much of anything
the bold items above will be difficult
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« Reply #39262 on: November 11, 2024, 04:51:08 PM »
cut federal funding to schools teaching CRT and transgender matters, roll back Bidens electric car incentives

These seem to be very small items that won't change much of anything
the bold items above will be difficult
never send a boy to do a mans job
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« Reply #39263 on: November 11, 2024, 04:55:20 PM »
I hope Donny is man enough to get the job done
he wasn't 8 years ago
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« Reply #39264 on: November 11, 2024, 05:02:08 PM »
I hope Donny is man enough to get the job done
he wasn't 8 years ago
kinda hard when you assume there are no covert foes out there.

I think hes much wiser this time around

anyway I hope
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« Reply #39265 on: November 11, 2024, 05:09:09 PM »
we have hope
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« Reply #39266 on: November 11, 2024, 05:10:20 PM »


gotta credit Biden - he's still in office
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« Reply #39267 on: November 11, 2024, 06:04:37 PM »
even if he doesn't know it
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« Reply #39268 on: November 11, 2024, 06:30:09 PM »
kinda hard when you assume there are no covert foes out there.

I think hes much wiser this time around

anyway I hope
You're banking on Trumps acquisition of wisdom.......ffs
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« Reply #39269 on: November 11, 2024, 06:30:30 PM »


gotta credit Biden - he's still in office
Don't you dare!
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