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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #38752 on: October 31, 2024, 04:45:07 PM »
It is of value I think to recall how the Germans lost their "democracy" in 1933 (and NO, I don't mean because ot DJT).

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« Reply #38753 on: October 31, 2024, 04:45:32 PM »
Do you attorneys have to also study up on English laws, and laws from other countries?
I'm not a lawyer, of course, but SCOTUS understands and acknowledges that our legal system's predecessor was English common law, and sometimes quote it in decisions. Including in Dobbs

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« Reply #38754 on: October 31, 2024, 04:48:51 PM »
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« Reply #38755 on: October 31, 2024, 04:54:24 PM »
It feels like a sort of canvas to paint whatever sort of limitations a person feels like putting on the ideals of democracy.

Like, outside the actual structural stuff, most people loosely seem to be saying they see that idea as a democracy with more checks.
This is essentially what I'm getting at.

Some say that we're not a "democracy" because we don't decide everything via direct democracy. However then you can point out that in individual states, we DO have ways to decide some things literally via direct democracy. Including amending state Constitutions. And of course that means nothing because beyond a certain size, it's literally impossible to decide things by direct democracy. Electing representatives to be our democratic proxies is still pretty much, IMHO, democracy. If all it takes is representative democracy to be a Republic and not a democracy, it's a nothing statement. 

Others say that it's because we protect individual rights, protecting the minority from the majority. The first problem with that is that it's not entirely true outside of VERY specific ways. The second problem is that our Constitution isn't written in stone. We could repeal the First Amendment. There are people who desperately WANT to repeal the Second Amendment. The third problem with that is that it's a little disingenuous to say that the folks who set up a country that preserved slavery and only allowed landowning white males to vote were protecting the minority. And most of the developed world is just the same in the sense that they protect individual rights, so saying that is what makes us a Republic and not democracy is again a nothing statement. 

So my issue is that it seems like people just make that statement, "You know we're a Republic and not a democracy, right?!" and then drop the mic like they've dunked on you and need say no more. It's a nothing statement. 


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« Reply #38756 on: October 31, 2024, 05:02:54 PM »
In Texas, our constitution after the Civil War was re-written sometime after Reconstruction.  As I recall, there was a movement after reconstruction to heavily limit the powers of the state, so that our state gov't is really limited.  As such, there are a lot of "trivial" things that we have to vote on all the time to amend our constitution.  I think there's literally hundreds of amendments attached to our constitution, maybe more. I know I've personally voted on a lot, maybe even dozens.  

As I stated, we also vote a lot on certain financial transactions like bonds, and a lot of Yes or No propositions.  

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« Reply #38757 on: October 31, 2024, 08:48:58 PM »
Republic v. Democracy feels like not much difference to justify the words written about it. You vote and the winner wins = democracy. You vote for a representative and the winner wins = Republic. All righty.

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« Reply #38759 on: October 31, 2024, 09:15:16 PM »
The US is a democratic republic.  These terms aren't mutually exclusive.  

With the Texas constitution thing - states have rewritten their constitutions numerous times, some in double-digits.  State constitutions are amended TONS of times, especially compared to the US constitution.

I'm teaching this to my students next week, actually.
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« Reply #38760 on: November 01, 2024, 07:40:35 AM »
530 amendments for the Texas constitution. 

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« Reply #38761 on: November 01, 2024, 07:57:46 AM »
hopefully 500 of them were for the best
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« Reply #38762 on: November 01, 2024, 08:07:32 AM »
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« Reply #38763 on: November 01, 2024, 08:12:11 AM »
But of course!

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« Reply #38764 on: November 01, 2024, 08:13:54 AM »
It's interesting to me how much focus is on a word here or there instead of policy differences.


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« Reply #38765 on: November 01, 2024, 08:14:04 AM »
[img width=405.996 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/O8HuKR2.png[/img]++
because the urban areas are growing faster than the rural areas?
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