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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #38486 on: October 28, 2024, 12:13:38 PM »
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« Reply #38487 on: October 28, 2024, 12:24:46 PM »
If he "specifically stated" the thing, I'd certainly agree.  I don't think any of them did, it was more of an "understanding", I doubt many of them foresaw the concept that a person would want to be in politics for 40 years.  The pay at the time was pretty bad, and the job itself was pretty onerous.

I'd guess they viewed Cincinnatus as the model, a person who would "serve" for a time, and then go back to work, as I stated, specifically, earlier.

Why does a wealthy person stay in politics these days?  I think it's the status, being recognized as someone important.  Most wealthy folks I suspect want the opposite.
The question that needs to be asked is how do people who are NOT wealthy, take a job paying a modest salary and then suddenly become wealthy during their time in office? 

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« Reply #38488 on: October 28, 2024, 12:37:03 PM »
The question that needs to be asked is how do people who are NOT wealthy, take a job paying a modest salary and then suddenly become wealthy during their time in office?
The most extant examples of this are by folks who wrote books, and/or married into wealth.  I'm not sure there is another example, but maybe.

Perlosi doesn't stay in Congress for money, she stays for a feeling of being important, being recognized, famous, I think it's addictive.  

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« Reply #38489 on: October 28, 2024, 12:40:47 PM »
This does highlight another broken aspect of our system.  Say some publishing house wants to "buy influence", legally.  They go to "X" and say "Here is a book contract for $10 million."  They aid "X" in writing said book, the person gets the money, the house gets influence.  Then "X" gives speeches, also making some nice change, and sells autographed copies of said book which few ever read.

Then another company wants influence, so they pay "X" to give a speech, say half a million, but also buy up 10,000 copies of said book, and gives them to employees.

This actually happened to my daughter, Hillary gave a speech, she got her book, which promptly was trashed.  Daughter was working for CRBE at the time in NYC.


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« Reply #38490 on: October 28, 2024, 12:41:36 PM »
Really, it's worked pretty well for 200+ years I'd say.  I don't even think it's really all that bad right now, except the deficit, which has only really become a huge problem in the last 10-20 years.  

the deficit was a talking point 40+ years ago

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« Reply #38492 on: October 28, 2024, 12:59:30 PM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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« Reply #38493 on: October 28, 2024, 01:06:14 PM »
Carville criticizes media for Trump coverage ahead of election (thehill.com)
When Trump's supporters accuse the Democrats and the "liberal media" of demonizing him to the point that he's viewed as an immediate existential threat, this is the exact kind of stuff they're talking about. 

Be better.  Don't make Trump campaigners sound like the smart, sane people in the room.


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« Reply #38494 on: October 28, 2024, 01:07:51 PM »
A lot of folks think the "media" are on the other side, much as football fans think the refs are against them.

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« Reply #38495 on: October 28, 2024, 01:12:14 PM »
A lot of folks think the "media" are on the other side, much as football fans think the refs are against them.
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« Reply #38496 on: October 28, 2024, 01:17:27 PM »
I was a marching band nerd.  And a theater nerd.  And a choir nerd.  And I was president of the Math Club and Computer club. 

You can't spell geek without EE.
I spent as little time at school and with classmates as possible. Most of my HS experience after school hours (when not doing homework/etc) was spent either at the karate school, work, or the golf course. 

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« Reply #38497 on: October 28, 2024, 01:18:51 PM »
When Trump's supporters accuse the Democrats and the "liberal media" of demonizing him to the point that he's viewed as an immediate existential threat, this is the exact kind of stuff they're talking about.

Be better.  Don't make Trump campaigners sound like the smart, sane people in the room.


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« Reply #38498 on: October 28, 2024, 01:21:33 PM »
The question that needs to be asked is how do people who are NOT wealthy, take a job paying a modest salary and then suddenly become wealthy during their time in office?
I think the better question is what are the mechanics of the wealth gain?

Like if you're in the house for eight years, I expect you to become considerably more wealthy. But I also assume everyone I know with a stable job is going to become considerably more wealthy. I assume any couple where one member makes $174,000 per year should build wealth.

Then we have questions of expenses. I assume when you're in congress, your job pays for a lot. Food, transit, some other daily nonsense. So likewise, I think a person who lacks those expenses has an edge in building wealth. 

There's also assets. If you move to DC, you might buy a home. After 8 years, a home in DC has likely appreciated a good bit. Same for if you go to congress at 45 and own a few properties already. They'll gain value because that's what happens. 

Then there's the matter of a spouse. If you spouse has a job, that's also kicking in. At that salary, you could max out a 401k, so you're up $160k right there, plus growth. If you have a spouse with a high-powered job, even more so. 

Plus you have books, speaking fees, the general set of opportunities that come with being famous and important (thankfully, no sponsorships yet). 

That's not to say some, maybe many, congresspeople are not lining their pockets illicitly. But it's also hard to parse these things. If the spouse has a high-powered job, that builds wealth. But that's not something that's all that complex. 

So to circle this around, there is some form of getting wealthy that all these people should be doing with sound financial sense. The question is, what is the baseline and what are signs someone is grossly exceeding it. 

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« Reply #38499 on: October 28, 2024, 01:26:37 PM »
I think the better question is what are the mechanics of the wealth gain?

Like if you're in the house for eight years, I expect you to become considerably more wealthy. But I also assume everyone I know with a stable job is going to become considerably more wealthy. I assume any couple where one member makes $174,000 per year should build wealth.

Then we have questions of expenses. I assume when you're in congress, your job pays for a lot. Food, transit, some other daily nonsense. So likewise, I think a person who lacks those expenses has an edge in building wealth.

There's also assets. If you move to DC, you might buy a home. After 8 years, a home in DC has likely appreciated a good bit. Same for if you go to congress at 45 and own a few properties already. They'll gain value because that's what happens.

Then there's the matter of a spouse. If you spouse has a job, that's also kicking in. At that salary, you could max out a 401k, so you're up $160k right there, plus growth. If you have a spouse with a high-powered job, even more so.

Plus you have books, speaking fees, the general set of opportunities that come with being famous and important (thankfully, no sponsorships yet).

That's not to say some, maybe many, congresspeople are not lining their pockets illicitly. But it's also hard to parse these things. If the spouse has a high-powered job, that builds wealth. But that's not something that's all that complex.

So to circle this around, there is some form of getting wealthy that all these people should be doing with sound financial sense. The question is, what is the baseline and what are signs someone is grossly exceeding it.
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