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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
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Cincydawg · « **Reply #36932 on:** August 28, 2024, 09:45:46 AM »

I've seen the proposal to tax unrealized capital gains also, for folks with net worth" over $100 million (I think it was).

OK, would we all have to report our "net worth"? Very few of us are anywhere near that mark, but the IRS doesn't know our net worth. And obviously for many it's a dubious calculation, and would lead to wealthy folks obscuring their actual number if somehow it was implemented (it won't be).

It's a populist "tax the rich" notion, probably good for some votes, and completely silly on realistic grounds.

To me, WAY too much of the "discussion" is about similarly silly topics with vague notional verbiage to get votes. But that's politics.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #36933 on:** August 28, 2024, 09:47:05 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on August 28, 2024, 09:30:59 AM

They do but overall they tend to try to do what they campaigned on. Obviously they can't just arbitrarily change the law to whatever they say.

I strongly disagree. They may gin up some appearance of this at times, but mostly it's excuses, "I proposed doing X, but THEY wouldn't go along, the bastages.".

FearlessF · « **Reply #36934 on:** August 28, 2024, 09:59:59 AM »

Ed Zachery!

utee94 · « **Reply #36935 on:** August 28, 2024, 10:06:12 AM »

I think most presidential candidates try to bring home one or two major things. Obama ultimately got his healthcare plan put in place in SOME form, even if it wasn't his ideal version of the program. Trump actively worked on the Wall, despite heavy opposition in Congress and ultimately not achieving his vision.

Those are just two that come to mind, I'm sure there are plenty of others. Do they try to implement EVERY campaign promise? Definitely not. Some are just empty words to gin up support. But at least a few pet projects, do get some attention.

I have no idea what Biden's promises were, or whether or not he actively worked on any of them. Probably a good thing that he didn't appear to get much done.

FearlessF · « **Reply #36936 on:** August 28, 2024, 10:08:50 AM »

I'll agree with that

neither the Obamacare or the work on the wall affected my life

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #36937 on:** August 28, 2024, 10:14:31 AM »

Quote from: GopherRock on August 28, 2024, 09:24:01 AM

Unfortunately, the actions and record of FN and the Le Pens means that it would be an egregious error to let them anywhere near power.

Um, why?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #36938 on:** August 28, 2024, 10:15:11 AM »

I had a high deductible health care plan at work. My kids were out of the house, I never went to a doctor, it was $1500 deductible, fine, and they paid me some small amount to have it. After Obamacare, that was ended of course, and I had to pay a sizeable sum for mandatory health care.

It was more annoying than debilitating, but it did eliminate a choice I had that made sense for me.

I think four bills of some consequence did pass Congress and were signed by Biden, with great fanfare. None of them actually seem to "DO" much of anything. One was a very soft "gun" bill that is largely forgotten. There was the infrastructure act, which hasn't done much. There was the "Inflation reduction act", which was a misnomer. Then there was the COVID relief bill early on that I think caused a lot of the inflation we experienced, but Trump claimed he would do roughly the same thing.

MaximumSam · « **Reply #36939 on:** August 28, 2024, 10:26:34 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 28, 2024, 09:47:05 AM

I strongly disagree. They may gin up some appearance of this at times, but mostly it's excuses, "I proposed doing X, but THEY wouldn't go along, the bastages.".

But that's not really relevant. Not being able to do what is promised and going against your campaign word are two different concepts. If Kamala says she is pro-fracking, it isn't breaking a campaign promise if Congress passes a veto-proof law banning fracking. If she wins and then takes steps herself to reduce or ban fracking, that would be against her campaign promise.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #36940 on:** August 28, 2024, 10:34:45 AM »

As I said, I strongly disagree. And maybe that isn't relevant.

Candidates routinely say they want to DO things and then expend no real effort to get them done.

If Guantanamo Bay detention center closed yet? Did the oceans stop rising? Are the "rich" paying their fair share? Do we have free health insurance for "illegals" now? Is the border wall built? Did we ban Muslims from entering the country? Do we have harsher penalties for parole violators?

She's VP, if she wants to do these things, she does have some narrow opportunity to advocate for them, and has had, for years.

MaximumSam · « **Reply #36941 on:** August 28, 2024, 10:46:09 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 28, 2024, 10:34:45 AM

As I said, I strongly disagree. And maybe that isn't relevant.

Candidates routinely say they want to DO things and then expend no real effort to get them done.

If Guantanamo Bay detention center closed yet? Did the oceans stop rising? Are the "rich" paying their fair share? Do we have free health insurance for "illegals" now? Is the border wall built? Did we ban Muslims from entering the country? Do we have harsher penalties for parole violators?

She's VP, if she wants to do these things, she does have some narrow opportunity to advocate for them, and has had, for years.

It's important to recognize the president isn't a king. Other people work, too. Obama issued an executive order to close Guantanamo. He reduced the number of inmates held there. Congress worked against him to keep it from being closed. Trump ran on keeping it open, and it still is. I don't recall if Biden even mentioned it. Candidates try to do what they tell you they are going to try and do, mostly.

utee94 · « **Reply #36942 on:** August 28, 2024, 10:47:55 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on August 28, 2024, 10:46:09 AM

It's important to recognize the president isn't a king. Other people work, too. Obama issued an executive order to close Guantanamo. He reduced the number of inmates held there. Congress worked against him to keep it from being closed. Trump ran on keeping it open, and it still is. I don't recall if Biden even mentioned it. Candidates try to do what they tell you they are going to try and do, mostly.

I don't know if I can agree with that. If your final modifier had been "sometimes" then I'd be on board.

FearlessF · « **Reply #36943 on:** August 28, 2024, 11:13:13 AM »

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #36944 on:** August 28, 2024, 11:37:48 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 28, 2024, 10:15:11 AM

I had a high deductible health care plan at work. My kids were out of the house, I never went to a doctor, it was $1500 deductible, fine, and they paid me some small amount to have it. After Obamacare, that was ended of course, and I had to pay a sizeable sum for mandatory health care.

It was more annoying than debilitating, but it did eliminate a choice I had that made sense for me.

I don't know if that's necessarily an Obamacare thing. Maybe the plan wasn't good for some people and they got rid of it around that time?

I still have a HDHP to this day. Deductible for Employee+Family is higher ($3200), but for that plan the company kicks in a decent chunk to the HSA each year.

So clearly Obamacare didn't just kill off those plans. Not sure why it happened for you.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #36945 on:** August 28, 2024, 11:47:01 AM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on August 28, 2024, 11:37:48 AM

I don't know if that's necessarily an Obamacare thing. Maybe the plan wasn't good for some people and they got rid of it around that time?

I still have a HDHP to this day. Deductible for Employee+Family is higher ($3200), but for that plan the company kicks in a decent chunk to the HSA each year.

So clearly Obamacare didn't just kill off those plans. Not sure why it happened for you.

Yeah, I believe that’s a company by company thing.

I always avoided those when I could, granted the cost difference was never THAT much.

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