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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36078 on: August 17, 2024, 09:22:08 AM »
The great irony here is that there’s a debate going on on this forum about whether or not Trump is smart. 

Hard to even believe when the opposition candidate is clearly the least intelligent, dare I say dumbest candidate ever nominated for president in our lifetime.   And even her supporters know that that and why they will not let her speak off script.

She’ll start talking about the cloud again.  😂😂😂😂😂😂
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« Reply #36079 on: August 17, 2024, 09:33:18 AM »
Hey-hey-hey we're giving the unworthy all sorts of positions why not this one
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« Reply #36080 on: August 17, 2024, 09:37:40 AM »
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« Reply #36081 on: August 17, 2024, 09:38:10 AM »
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« Reply #36082 on: August 17, 2024, 09:39:23 AM »
The FDA just cleared a new device that stops bleeding from gunshot wounds in seconds

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« Reply #36084 on: August 17, 2024, 09:56:11 AM »
The FDA just cleared a new device that stops bleeding from gunshot wounds in seconds

Cresilon’s Traumagel, which can stop bleeding from wounds in seconds, is already being looked at for future uses by the Department of Defense.

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« Reply #36085 on: August 17, 2024, 11:15:59 AM »
A $400 million head start kind of negates a lot of stupid, no?

And he beat those other republicans with insults and interrupting.  He appealed to the lowest rung of us.  'Haha, he burned that guy, he's got my vote' thinking is no way to choose a president.

His base are rural people and/or those who lack nuance and prudence and don't view this voting thing as a serious matter. 
They may be right about that, but it's a risky bet.

He speaks in automated phrases, does the strong-arm handshake thing, and never ever EVER admits to anything.  It's an 11-year old playbook when the adults around you care about stupid shit like evidence, rights, and other things our country is founded on. 
I've never seen any evidence his IQ is over 100 and neither has anyone else.  Being born on 3rd base doesn't make you a tremendous triples hitter. 
One could argue that since HW Bush, the inmates have been running the asylum here in the U.S.  Trump is what you get when Idiocracy becomes a documentary.  He's a blowhard dipshit obsessed with himself.  He's the dog that caught the car bumper and didn't know what to do.  The whole situation is embarrassing.

The only question is will he keep the R party held hostage for another 4 years if he loses again.  Sadly, the answer is 'maybe.'
I agree with a lot of this.

$400 million head start obviously helps, but even so you have to give him some credit for accomplishing the things he did. The world is littered with the tales of trust fund kids who inherit that kind of money and don't do anything of consequence in life and many just wind up pissing their money away on the holy trifecta of drugs, hoes, and alcohol. Trump was able to avoid 2 of those.

How he beat the 19 Republicans he had to run against in the primary and end the Bush & Clinton dynasty is kind of beside the point. He did it. That to me is still insane. It might speak more to the complete and utter failure of the Bush II & Obama administrations more than it does to Trump however- and how everyday regular working class Americans were fed up with the elites/establishment wings of both parties. Anyone speaking that same kind of anti-establishment, we're going to clean up the mess message was likely to win. Shit I really think Bernie probably beats Trump had the DNC not rigged it against him for Clinton- as he was speaking a similar message and he's a lot more measured and not a crazy like Trump. BUT that crazy is exactly why Trump was able to secure the Republican nomination and Bernie allowed himself to get rolled by the DNC. Trump is a fighter, and at times a bully. And if he even so thinks you hit him- he's going full psychopath and he's going to try and hit you back 1000x harder. Bernie? He's a cuck and a pussy. He just let the DNC railroad him and then he got in bed with them and said Hilary and Joe are my dear friends! Support them! I am supporting them!

And Trump is not holding the R party hostage. I don't know where you are getting that. Trump is who the R voters wanted-  and that's who they got. That is how this thing is suppose to work. The RNC establishment and it's mega-donors tried everything in their power to have anyone but Trump in 2016 and in 2024. That is just an objective fact of reality. His movement, his grip on the base/primary voters- was too strong for them to do anything about it. And I'll take THAT- the voters deciding their candidate- ALL DAY long over the absolute undemocratic fuckery that the DNC pulled off in 2016 (rigging it against Bernie for Hilary), 2020 (Obama pressured every candidate in the primary to drop out and endorse Joe to defeat Bernie), and now with Kamala being hand-picked and just given delegates and not having to run against anyone in a primary at all. At least have an open convention. But nope. She's our salvation! YAY BOSS GIRL!

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« Reply #36086 on: August 17, 2024, 11:22:44 AM »
I agree with a lot of this.

$400 million head start obviously helps, but even so you have to give him some credit for accomplishing the things he did. The world is littered with the tales of trust fund kids who inherit that kind of money and don't do anything of consequence in life and many just wind up pissing their money away on drugs, hoes, and alcohol
Damn straight and many of us didn't have trust funds yet still accomplished these things
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« Reply #36087 on: August 17, 2024, 12:00:08 PM »
COMMENCE THE ECHO CHAMBER!

Republican women are "hot" and Dem supporters are not?  This is an actual point being made here?  That's pretty Trumpish.  And shallow.  And wrong.  And embarrassing for you.

FoxNews chicks are the stereotypical bimbo types because they want ratings.  If a conservative pundit is attractive, they throw her ass in front of a camera, depth/intelligence be damned.  And THAT is being lauded here?!?

Trump's base are the knuckle-draggers none of you proport to be a part of.  Yet shit like this gets posted and defended. 

Some here are walking like a duck and talking like a duck.....
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« Reply #36088 on: August 17, 2024, 01:05:47 PM »
Ehhh, not really.    He is correct there on some of his Trump criticisms. 

but as is the standard operating procedure of the left as well as his standard operating procedure, they have to try to justify their position by denigrating anyone with a different opinion. And in doing so they completely missed and characterize the other side.

He talks about “Trump’s base”    That’s where he is almost on the opposite side of the truth   

There really isn’t a “base”    Generally speaking, if you talk to people who are favoring Trump, they don’t particularly care for him, but they absolutely love what he stands for especially relative to what the opponents stand for.

they come from all walks of life, and education levels. They’re tired of how far left this country has moved. They don’t believe it’s a bad thing to fly the American flag. They want to be safe in the streets. They don’t want an open border. they want legal immigrants properly vetted. They don’t believe the answer to every problem is more government.  They don’t want to mortgage our financial future by spending trillions in debt now. They think DEI has gone too far and killed meritocracy.  They don’t think children should mutilate themselves to be transgender- and it should be hidden from their parents via legislation. They are ok with truly peaceful protests, but feel like violence and riots are unacceptable for any cause. Some are pro choice and some aren’t- but they feel there should be some limits and aren’t comfortable with paying for them.  They don’t want to see movies with liberal social Messages because they don’t care what the Hollywood elite think. They don’t pay attention to people who live behind brick walls with armed guards, and don’t have to worry about how they’re going to put food on the table. They don’t want us involved in foreign wars that truly don’t impact the future of our nation and don’t present much risk to America.  They believe in free enterprise and don’t want the government, pretending to know all the answers, and shut down businesses or control prices.  The list goes on and on. But the biggest thing he got wrong is that the election means everything to these people. Everything. They see where the country has gone in terms of moving far far left and they don’t want that to continue. They may not like Trump, but they know, he is their only hope to slow it down or reverse it   

And which party is being held hostage? On the one side, you’ve got a person who went through the primaries and was elected to run for office, by the people. And then he was elected into office as the president. And then he was voted out of office. Now he is voted back into represent their side in the presidential election, by the people, on the other side, you have a person who is there by Fiat, has never won a primary and did not get there by the choice of the people. Their side was given no choice. So who’s being held hostage?

Trump already has done a lot for those that support him. He put some common sense back into the Supreme Court. And now, even if he loses, he is forcing the other side to either pretend to move away from, or actually move away from there incredibly unpopular and ineffective positions. just look at the reversal that you see going on everywhere. Not only is their candidate doing it 180 on most of her atrociously liberal positions but you’re seeing it in other places to like California where they’re now actually trying to combat homelessness and ravaging crime issues.  That’s because Trump has exposed for what they really are and they can see that the American people don’t like what they are. So even if he doesn’t win, I don’t think he will, he’s actually moved the ball down the field in the right direction.
Good counterpoint. 

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« Reply #36089 on: August 17, 2024, 01:08:51 PM »

How he beat the 19 Republicans he had to run against in the primary and end the Bush & Clinton dynasty is kind of beside the point. He did it. That to me is still insane. <snip> BUT that crazy is exactly why Trump was able to secure the Republican nomination and Bernie allowed himself to get rolled by the DNC. Trump is a fighter, and at times a bully. And if he even so thinks you hit him- he's going full psychopath and he's going to try and hit you back 1000x harder.

How he beat them? By understanding that there's no such thing as bad publicity. By changing the game. Donald Trump, being the narcissist that he is, got everybody to talk about him, all the time. It didn't even matter if it was positive. He would constantly say crazy bullshit to get attention.

He sucked all the air out of the room. The other candidates were serious politicians. They were the type that thought "if I just say crazy bullshit all the time, people won't vote for me." Trump realized that if everyone was always talking about the crazy bullshit he said, the other candidates wouldn't get ANY airtime.

That's how he won the nomination. Not by understanding politics, or understanding what voters wanted. But by understanding the power of celebrity, and exploiting it while all the other candidates were playing by normal political rules.

It's one reason why I didn't bring up Trump's statements about 2 weeks ago where he told a Christian group that they just need to vote for him one more time, and after that they won't ever have to vote again. It'll be fixed so good that nobody will have to vote.

There are a LOT of very bad ways to take that statement. Which IMHO is what Trump wanted, but not for the reason one might think. It was said when Harris' poll numbers were rising, when her ascending to be the presumptive nominee was dominating the news cycle, and nobody was talking about him. So he had to say the craziest thing he could think of, to get attention back on him. Because he doesn't want anyone talking about Harris. He wants them talking about him.


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And Trump is not holding the R party hostage. I don't know where you are getting that. Trump is who the R voters wanted-  and that's who they got. That is how this thing is suppose to work. The RNC establishment and it's mega-donors tried everything in their power to have anyone but Trump in 2016 and in 2024. That is just an objective fact of reality. His movement, his grip on the base/primary voters- was too strong for them to do anything about it.

There is no Republican Party. There is the Trump Party. The Republican Party is "what Trump says, we follow". 


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« Reply #36090 on: August 17, 2024, 01:17:09 PM »


There is no Republican Party. There is the Trump Party. The Republican Party is "what Trump says, we follow". 


I'm stunned anyone could think otherwise.  
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« Reply #36091 on: August 17, 2024, 02:17:18 PM »
I'm stunned anyone could think otherwise. 
Complete hogwash.   😂😂😂

Lot of local elections.    Plenty of varied opinions. Similarities for sure.    
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