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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #35966 on: August 15, 2024, 05:53:10 PM »

It is like the parties are trying to lose.  I honestly think that DeSantis would have a near double-digit lead right now if he were the R nominee and if there had been a Democratic Primary I am near certain that Harris wouldn't have won and the Democratic winner of that primary would have a much more secure lead right now over Trump. 


As I said, this also says a lot about us, the electorate.  It  is pretty clear that we are so polarized that there isn't much of anything that will change the situation all that much.  If there were are lot of truly undecided voters out there, Trump's lead would have soared after Biden's debate performance and then cratered when Biden got replaced.  That didn't happen  
So per the bold, I think that DID happen. I think the election was close before the debate purely because of inflation, but once Biden failed in the debate, it moved everything. Immediately everyone believed--with good reason IMHO--that he couldn't and wasn't going to beat Trump. I absolutely don't believe that the post-debate trends were anything but doom for the Democrats if they stuck with Biden. 

As for your first paragraph, I feel like we've been in a weird place.

  • In 2016 I think both the Rs and Ds nominated the candidate that could have only possibly lost to the other. I believe pretty much any other D would have crushed Trump. And that pretty much any other R would have beaten Hillary in the popular vote and had a MUCH wider EC margin. 
  • In 2020 the election was basically a referendum on Trump. Nobody "wanted" Biden. What they wanted was literally anyone other than Trump. Biden wasn't running on a record as President and Trump was, so it was a referendum on Trump.
  • In 2024, now you had two candidates who both had records as President. Trump has a ton of negatives, because, well, he's Trump. And even beyond the 2020 election, he has the Jan 6 stuff, civil suit losses, felony convictions now, etc. I agree with you that DeSantis would have been a better candidate. The blue states would hate him while the red states would love him HARD. On the other side, I think it's a rock / hard place situation. As long as a sitting President is running to keep the job, a party isn't going to go THAT hard against him. Biden is that, despite his negatives (inflation / feebleness). But no, he was NOT probably the strongest candidate on the D side. And the Ds are probably not happy that they're, to an extent stuck with Harris. Whereas they could have a better candidate if Biden had said he wasn't seeking reelection and it had been decided in a primary. 



That said, by taking Biden out of this, you have two things going on. The Ds want to make the election a referendum on Trump a second time and make Harris a fresh face. The Rs want to hang all of Biden's negatives on Harris, which they see as their path to victory. It remains to be seen how either will work. 


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« Reply #35968 on: August 15, 2024, 06:23:37 PM »
It is like the parties are trying to lose.

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« Reply #35969 on: August 15, 2024, 08:02:20 PM »
I feel like an asshole saying it, but this Texas LLWS team is super easy to root against as the villains of this tournament

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« Reply #35970 on: August 15, 2024, 08:46:07 PM »
I feel like an asshole saying it, but this Texas LLWS team is super easy to root against as the villains of this tournament
comes often if youre from Texas

were used to it no problem
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« Reply #35971 on: August 15, 2024, 09:15:02 PM »
In 2016 I think both the Rs and Ds nominated the candidate that could have only possibly lost to the other. I believe pretty much any other D would have crushed Trump. And that pretty much any other R would have beaten Hillary in the popular vote and had a MUCH wider EC margin.
I strongly disagree with this as it pertains to Trump.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:
At the beginning of the 2016 Primaries there were something like 20 candidates (4 D's, 16 R's) and 19 more-or-less supported the More Democrats / Cheap Labor pro-immigration position as dictated by their paymasters.

Only one candidate took the side of the American People on the immigration issue and he became President. That was NOT coincidental.

Your assertion that another R would have won on 2016 is laughable. The money candidate was Jeb! (remember him). Jeb! wouldn't have even threatened Hillary in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

Wisconsin (10), Michigan (16), and Pennsylvania (20) have 46 EV's between them. If you add those 46 to the 227 that Hillary won you get 273 which is a majority. That is even without the 5 D EV's that went elsewhere in protest/despair.

Trump put Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania in play by standing up to the donors and taking the side of the American People on the Immigration issue and making that THE centerpiece of his campaign.

To be fair, Jeb! probably wouldn't have lost quite as badly in places like your adopted home State but he still wouldn't have come close to a majority and he would have lost the EC in a big way, bigly as it were.

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« Reply #35972 on: August 15, 2024, 10:13:51 PM »
I never thought Trump would win the first time around. I didn’t think he’d lose in 2020. To tell the truth, I’m now not so sure he really did. Lots of dirty stuff going on against him, I now wonder what we don’t know about. 

In my view, Kamala may be the candidate, but she has not been “ the candidate “. She has not been interacting with the media for weeks.  She hasn’t went into a debate with Trump and had to defend her record. To be honest, most people don’t give two shits about the VP. It usually doesn’t factor much into who we vote for. 

I DGAF what the polls say. Lots of people haven’t had a good chance to see if they want to vote for her or not. We’ve already had President Trump once before, and it wasn’t bad IMO. It was not a disaster, and the economy was good until COVID derailed things. 

I personally now believe that Trump is the best choice. I never liked him, but I’m done with the democrats. 

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« Reply #35973 on: August 15, 2024, 10:35:50 PM »
comes often if youre from Texas

were used to it no problem
Eh.  First day of every tournament you can pick out the team you just dont want to play.  No clue if they are good or not, just seems like an irritating way to spend 2 hours.  Just an absolute elite lineup of asshole coaches, entitled kids, and aggressive parents.  You could tell that was this team almost instantly.  Just in 2 innings there were 3-4 signs, that this was the team that neutrals were just quietly hoping kids lost, lol

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« Reply #35974 on: August 15, 2024, 10:51:53 PM »
Eh.  First day of every tournament you can pick out the team you just dont want to play.  No clue if they are good or not, just seems like an irritating way to spend 2 hours.  Just an absolute elite lineup of asshole coaches, entitled kids, and aggressive parents.  You could tell that was this team almost instantly.  Just in 2 innings there were 3-4 signs, that this was the team that neutrals were just quietly hoping kids lost, lol
I watched the game and thought several were much bigger then Im used to seeing but I didnt come away thinking they felt entitled or that their coaches were assholes.  But hey thats just me.
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« Reply #35975 on: August 15, 2024, 11:24:18 PM »
I dislike the entire little league traveling/select baseball culture, they're all a bunch of assholes and vultures. 

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« Reply #35976 on: August 15, 2024, 11:47:42 PM »
I dislike the entire little league traveling/select baseball culture, they're all a bunch of assholes and vultures.

wow

not sure what you mean by traveling select but wow

there must have been something about little league that really hurt you
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« Reply #35977 on: August 15, 2024, 11:53:34 PM »
Gents, remember to tip the dancers. They’re working hard up there.
working harder than an ugly stripper
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« Reply #35979 on: August 16, 2024, 07:16:52 AM »
I dislike the entire little league traveling/select baseball culture, they're all a bunch of assholes and vultures.
Word. 

 

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