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ELA · « **Reply #35546 on:** August 03, 2024, 11:04:43 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2024, 07:03:42 AM

Across Midtown, new ordinance aims to boost street-level vibrancy | Urbanize Atlanta

Mainly, mandating restaurants have outdoor dining sidewalk tables, which works for me. There is a move afoot to "reimagine" Peachtree Street, which probably means losing a lane for more sidewalk etc., and probably a bike lane. Moves in the right direction, I hope. Most places now offer al fresco dining as an option, so maybe this doesn't change much.

Some places really don't have enough sidewalk room for tables outside.

Don't get this. Pittsburgh permanently changed their ordinances that were temporarily changed during COVID to permanently ALLOW street seating if you want to.

But mandating it? I worked at a steakhouse in college that cleaned up an area for patio seating. Problem was it hadn't been designed that way, and it was a HAUL from the kitchen to the patio. They only access point was through the back which took you past 4 tables, that hadn't been designed as a throughway. So you were pissing off those people by squeezing by them, holding food trays over their heads, to get food out which might be cold by that point, because it was impossible to monitor the window. The door to get out was heavy, so if it was a large tray, you had to make two trips, one to prop the door open, which again pissed off the people sitting in the AC. So you essentially created two sections that nobody wanted to sit in. Generally it was "it will be a 70 minute wait, but we can sit you right now if you want to sit out back", so the people you did get, didn't want to be there, but just didn't want to wait an hour. It was a mess. They closed it after the 2nd summer

utee94 · « **Reply #35547 on:** August 03, 2024, 11:07:14 AM »

Trying to force it into being a Parisian paradise of sidewalk cafes, I guess.

Not all sidewalk cafes in Paris are pleasant, either. Just depends on the street.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #35548 on:** August 03, 2024, 11:16:17 AM »

On the topic of restaurants, someone I was reading pointed out that back in the day. There was a sort of fear that if you didn’t allow smoking in restaurants that it would cause people to not go to restaurants as much.

Obviously, we know that was not the case. This isn’t connected to the topic above, but it sprung to mind.

ELA · « **Reply #35549 on:** August 03, 2024, 12:07:16 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on August 03, 2024, 11:16:17 AM

On the topic of restaurants, someone I was reading pointed out that back in the day. There was a sort of fear that if you didn’t allow smoking in restaurants that it would cause people to not go to restaurants as much.

Obviously, we know that was not the case. This isn’t connected to the topic above, but it sprung to mind.

It's weird how quickly it became normal for restaurants not to allow it.

Smoking on planes remains a crazy concept

Cincydawg · « **Reply #35550 on:** August 03, 2024, 01:04:35 PM »

We had lunch outside today, it was nice. As I noted, it's really not much of a mandate, as it has an "out clause" and is not retroactive.

Nearly every place around has outdoor dining as it is (aside ones on narrow side streets, and they probably wish they had it). There is one fairly upscale place that doesn't.

Lyla Lila (lylalilaatl.com)

Our neighbor took us there a while back as a treat for something, my wife was not impressed, it gets pretty solid reviews. I thought it was OK but pricey.

I think the teeth in this is to mandate that new construction leaves room on the sidewalk for outdoor dining.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #35551 on:** August 03, 2024, 01:31:10 PM »

After listening to my wife basically pine for the "old days", I was wondering if this is a major reason many older folks think the world is rapidly going to the dogs and things are worse than they used to be. Put it in the context of college football.

I bet nearly all younger "fans" want an extended playoff, probably 16 teams. Many older fans seem to pine for the old messy bowl season, and decry the NLFization of CFB. (I'm probably in the middle of this somewhere.)

Fortunately, I think "things" in my personal life are better than they were a while back, and mostly getting better still. It's a more optimistic view I do make some effort to maintain, reminding myself of good stuff happening around me. Maybe some of this evolves from the very hard knock I had exactly 19 years ago today. I made some resolutions from that, realizing I could not change my past, unfortunately, but I can change my personal future. It put in perspective, for me, that some things I worried about in life are insignificant, irrelevant, not worth bothering with, it's all OK. Somebody cuts me off in traffic, well OK then, see you at the next traffic light.

I guess having survived, somehow, the worst stress I could imagine, now everything is "OK" in a sense, though I often will scream at the TV "Run the Dang Ball!!" still. I do hate it when the Dawgs are driving down the field ripping of 6-7-8 yards a carry and then get cute with this new fangled "pass", I think they call it.

Anyway, some things in life are in fact very important, maybe some other things may SEEM important but really aren't.

Thanks for listening. Rant over.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #35552 on:** August 03, 2024, 02:27:41 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2024, 01:31:10 PM

I bet nearly all younger "fans" want an extended playoff, probably 16 teams. Many older fans seem to pine for the old messy bowl season, and decry the NLFization of CFB. (I'm probably in the middle of this somewhere.)

IMHO it depends a lot on what team you're a fan of, as I've talked about before.

If you're a fan of a team that has a legitimate shot most years at getting into the playoff, and enough talent on your roster perennially that you might actually win the dang thing, expanding the playoff makes sense. It keeps your team in the conversation longer even if you have a loss or two.
If you're a fan of a team that will only on very weird and unlikely years even have a chance to make it into the playoff, and will never have the talent to win 3-4 games in a row and actually hoist the trophy, you may not care so much. If 1 out of every 15-20 years you MIGHT have a shot at the playoff, where you then have the honor to then lose by 3 touchdowns in your first game, why pay attention to the playoff at all?

For me, and I've said it over and over, the push towards an ever-expanding playoff just makes the playoff take THAT much bigger share of the conversation than anything else in the sport. It has effectively crowded out any discussion of bowls, any attention on bowls, and thus has completely devalued the bowl system.

So, for fans of a team who enjoyed the bowl system, and for whom the NC was always WAY beyond our reach, the expansion of the playoff does nothing to make the sport better for us, and in fact ruins the little shred of fun that we looked forward to at the end of the year if we managed to go .500 or better.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #35553 on:** August 03, 2024, 02:28:26 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2024, 01:31:10 PM

After listening to my wife basically pine for the "old days", I was wondering if this is a major reason many older folks think the world is rapidly going to the dogs and things are worse than they used to be. Put it in the context of college football.

I bet nearly all younger "fans" want an extended playoff, probably 16 teams. Many older fans seem to pine for the old messy bowl season, and decry the NLFization of CFB. (I'm probably in the middle of this somewhere.)

The old have always and will always have that opinion of the young (minus the exceptions, so no need to chime in).

Spurrier wanted a 16-team playoff back in the early 90s when asked about it.
He'd have been in it 11 of his 12 years as Florida's HC (OBC).

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #35554 on:** August 03, 2024, 02:40:44 PM »

A 16-team playoff could be interesting, if enough different entities existed.

The 2 biggest things for me are:
1 - we can't go backwards and have 8 major conferences
2 - it would be a mistake to have too many teams from any individual conference, as it would turn into a march madness mimic and the regular season would cease to have ANY big games (we're nearly already there)

Those being said, we CAN go backwards in terms of lots of divisions under the few umbrellas of major conferences. Those division winners can get the playoff spots.

You could have a limit of 2 per division, where the 1 seeds get a 2 seed in the playoff and the 2s have to play at the 1s.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #35555 on:** August 03, 2024, 02:46:06 PM »

We can probably agree that the SEC and B1G will be worthy of two spots, if not more.

I'm not sure the ACC and XII can match that.

All the helmets are in the SEC and B1G. FSU is maybe one?

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #35556 on:** August 03, 2024, 03:20:35 PM »

If you kept the B1G and SEC into 2 distinct divisions, you could get 4 from each. But only if the divisions are linked in name only. If you win a 8 or 10-team division, you earned it. And cross-division games counting as OOC would make that happen, as you're playing everyone in your own division.

That'd be 4, plus 1 for ACC/XII....plus Tulane or Boise or whoever... plus plus plus.
Ah, damn. Watered down. Too many teams.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #35557 on:** August 03, 2024, 05:10:52 PM »

Well, the dog decided to go after a spot on his skin and started bleeding, so he's got his inflatable donut AND a t-shirt on, and we decided not to go to the BBQ joint. Honestly it probably wouldn't have happened given how slow my wife and I were to get started on various things we planned to do this morning anyway. I think by the time she gets back from errands, it'll be damn near time to start cooking dinner

Good day to get some ish done around the house tho.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #35558 on:** August 03, 2024, 05:59:14 PM »

https://youtu.be/OkcNAWfKTIE

Cincydawg · « **Reply #35559 on:** August 03, 2024, 06:03:39 PM »

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