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Made up hooey.    That’s the Dem playbook.  😂

Kamala was never the border czar. 😂.  Illegal crossings are down under this administration 😂
Kamala is not radical left😂.  Trump staged his assisination attempt😂. Kamala never encouraged the riots😂.  Biden inherited 9% inflation😂

I could go on for days.  The list is endless- And it’s the BS they’re trying to pedal now.

Meanwhile in conservative media:



https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/1816868954167447683

Believe it or not the biggest contributor to the statistics is condominiums. After that collapse sometime back, HOAs Are now being held accountable through the appraisal process for any structural repairs regardless of how material they are.  In their fear to be held accountable financially, they are substantially increasing budgets and assessments.  When people go to calculate their monthly payment, the HOA fees, combined with the already high insurance is shocking people into changing their mind. 
In fact, many people who own condos are being shocked by extremely large and sudden new assessments from their HOA.  Some of them are actually running into Financial or looking to sell altogether.

My MiL got hit double.  

The manager of her Condo Association in Florida was named Beverly and everyone now calls her Embezzelry because she stole a bunch of money from the association and is now doing something like 15 years in the pen for it.  Consequently, their HoA is broke and then . . .

At about the same time that condo tower in Miami (I think it was Miami, correct me if I'm wrong) collapsed and the response was that Florida lawmakers REALLY clamped down on structural reviews (good business for you @847badgerfan ) and MANDATING repairs that were frequently delayed in the past.  

Side note:
Government has a ridiculous tendency to MASSIVELY overreact to things.  I saw this with Municipal Water Systems after the lead mess in Flint, MI.  Suddenly the EPA required a host of new monitoring and testing even for systems baring almost ZERO resemblance to Flint so every water system in the Country saw their costs rise.  

Back to Condos.  I'm going to take a WAG and say that Florida lawmakers probably MASSIVELY overreacted and are now forcing condo associations to do structural assessments of 4' tall doghouses (ok, it probably isn't THAT bad) and engineers aren't cheap so even condos that have taken care of everything as well as they possibly could have are hit with new costs for reviews and if those reviews find ANYTHING wrong they are getting stuck fixing it even if it realistically isn't a collapse risk.  

On a side note, I am sad to reveal that Alex Jones went to my high school, graduated a couple of years after me.  I was never friends with him but we had mutual friends and occasionally interacted.  He was dorky but there were no indications, at the time, that he'd eventually become the face of conspiracy nutjobs in America.

If you're going to call Alex Jones "conservative media" then there's no point in discussing anything else with you.  He's a conspiracy nutjob. 

He is a conspiracy nutjob and also a big voice in conservative media. Hence the problem and my point.

I think where Fox's actual news shows, and CNNs, break right or left, is in the selection of news they choose to show.  Which is, in effect, just another form of editorializing.  To me, filtering the content is really no different than making editorial commentary on the content, in intent if not in result.

There is also a confirmation bias issue WITHIN the newsroom.  

When you look at voting history, DC and Manhattan both vote close to 90% Dem.  That means that random hires in newsrooms at the NYT and WaPo are something like 90% Dem even if they aren't trying to be biased but just hiring randomly off the street.  

When a Liberal and a Conservative hear a statement that supports the liberal worldview, typically:

• The liberal thinks "well of course" and that is that.  
• The conservative thinks "that doesn't make sense" and perhaps looks into why or if the statement is untrue.  

Conversely when a Liberal and a Conservative hear a statement that supports the conservative worldview, typically:

• The conservative thinks "well of course" and that is that.  
• The liberal thinks "that doesn't make sense" and perhaps looks into why or if the statement is untrue.  

These newsrooms are nearly 100% liberals so they tend not to fact check liberal leaning stories.  Ie, the Duke Rape hoax or the UVA frat rape hoax or the Jussie Smollet Hate Hoax.  Those stories just go straight through because they confirm that liberal reporters' bias.

If you're going to call Alex Jones "conservative media" then there's no point in discussing anything else with you.  He's a conspiracy nutjob. 

To be fair, though, I think one of the big problems that we've seen with "conservative media" (largely talk radio / Fox News) is that their schtick is that everyone's lying to you and that you shouldn't believe the lyin' MSM. You can only believe them. 

Well, what ends up happening is that people increasingly start to believe that anything MSM is by de facto a lie, and that anything from crackpots that is opposite what the MSM is saying is trustworthy. It's made it increasingly hard to distinguish "conservative media" from "QAnon bullshit".  

Which I have to think pisses off "conservative media" types... They're probably watching as they've tried to declare the MSM untrustworthy so that people would trust them, and now they see those same people who previously trusted them going down the rabbit hole to OANN or QAnon and saying "but no, we didn't mean that!!! Come back!!"

I guess when you sow distrust in institutions, but you yourself are an institution, you reap what you sow 

To be fair, though, I think one of the big problems that we've seen with "conservative media" (largely talk radio / Fox News) is that their schtick is that everyone's lying to you and that you shouldn't believe the lyin' MSM. You can only believe them.

Well, what ends up happening is that people increasingly start to believe that anything MSM is by de facto a lie, and that anything from crackpots that is opposite what the MSM is saying is trustworthy. It's made it increasingly hard to distinguish "conservative media" from "QAnon bullshit". 

Which I have to think pisses off "conservative media" types... They're probably watching as they've tried to declare the MSM untrustworthy so that people would trust them, and now they see those same people who previously trusted them going down the rabbit hole to OANN or QAnon and saying "but no, we didn't mean that!!! Come back!!"

I guess when you sow distrust in institutions, but you yourself are an institution, you reap what you sow

I think you are improperly assigning blame here.  You've only gone back ONE step.  

The problem started because the MSM that always claimed to be "unbiased" WAS left-biased.  THAT created the problem.  

Look at Talk Radio as a great example.  Rush Limbaugh came along and made TONS of money as a Conservative voice.  Why?  It was because back then that was a MASSIVELY underserved market.  MSNBC have never had Fox's #'s because "Leftist news" IS NOT an underserved market.  

CBS and Dan Rather DID lie about George W. Bush in an attempt to help defeat him.  The pre-internet MSM was heavily left-biased.  The blame lies there.  

As far as where we go from here, I honestly have no idea.  The toothpaste is out of that tube.  I don't think we can put it back.