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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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ELA

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34930 on: July 23, 2024, 04:20:50 PM »
I'd say this one is.

Even much of his family doesn't like him, and that's A-OK in my book.
I mean I'd take him over either party's nominee, but an outsider?

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« Reply #34931 on: July 23, 2024, 05:52:45 PM »
Kamala is a firmly entrenched part of the establishment and status quo.

RFK Jr is running on a populist economic message. Fighting Wall Street, railing against BlackRock, StateStreet, Big Pharma, ending the forever wars, ending the permanent security/spying state, pardoning Julian Assange & Edward Snowden.

The DNC is a hell-the-fck-no on all that jazz. Which is why they shut him down and shut him out and have tried everything under the sun to smear him in the press.

And I like you believe he would beat Trump. Kamala has very little shot to beat Trump.

What it all tells you is they are more comfortable with Trump in the White House than RFK Jr in the White House, because Trump will still go along with many of the worst policies both parties and both parties mega-donors firmly endorse.
While I would like you to be right about Harris not winning ( again, I can’t stand either candidate, but I want the pendulum to swing back a little bit to the right), my thinking is she will win. 

yes, I know that just a couple weeks ago she was a laughing stock and even the Democrats couldn’t bear the thought of putting her up there because they were embarrassed). 

But that’s not how elections work these days. As several on this forum have accurately pointed out, there are a large base in each party that will vote for the R and D, no matter what.

That small group that can be moved- don’t vote on policy. They vote on popularity or messaging or what til til tells them.  ( anecdotal- but we all new it is true).  The MSM owns that.  They shape it. 

It has already moved the needle.  They are already painting a picture of Harris like she is accomplished, articulate, popular and moderate.  Even the Dems know it is all BS. 

That’s why I have confidence she will win.  They own the messaging.  Just look at the last election.  They convinced the world that hunters laptop was not an issue. They convinced the world that Covid started and Donald Trump’s personal laboratory. They convinced the world that Dr falsely was the smartest man on earth and anyone who didn’t believe him was a conspiracy theorist. I could go on and on all of it was untrue.

Just like they convinced us for three years right up until several days ago that President Biden was “the sharpest man in the room “and was “outworking everybody in the White House” And that was humongous lie.  Big cover-up!

Honestly, whoever their candidate is, I don’t think the opponent has a chance 
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« Reply #34932 on: July 23, 2024, 06:08:46 PM »
Just like they convinced us for three years right up until several days ago that President Biden was “the sharpest man in the room “and was “outworking everybody in the White House” And that was humongous lie.  Big cover-up!
It will be interesting to see what this does to the credibility of the Democrats/media.  Trump's best line of attack, IMHO, is to paint Harris as part of the cover-up.  That puts her in a disastrous position.  She has to either:
  • Argue that there wasn't a cover-up when everyone knows there was, or
  • Argue that she wasn't a part of it which would mean either that she was so ignorant or unimportant in the Administration that she didn't know, or
  • Accept that she was part of it and plead for mercy based on being kind to an old man.  
It is a pick-your-poison situation for her.  


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« Reply #34933 on: July 23, 2024, 06:11:06 PM »
it's not just a USA problem...................

Thousands of migrant kids have reached the Canary Islands alone. Local officials want Spain’s help

https://apnews.com/article/spain-canary-islands-migrants-unaccompanied-minors-503e85f16fd567252ebb6a2f7a5be5ec

Tuesday, Spain’s parliament rejected a legislative proposal that would have forced other regions to take responsibility for some of the minors currently stuck on the Canaries in dire conditions.

The proposal, which sparked a national debate and political crisis, was rejected on Tuesday evening with 177 votes against it, 171 votes for it and 1 abstention.

Under Spanish law, the regional authorities where the children arrive are responsible for their guardianship. But the Canary Islands government says it is overwhelmed, with more than 5,500 minors — far above its capacity for 2,000.

“It’s a humanitarian catastrophe,” said Francisco Candil, a regional government official in charge of social welfare.

Not only do the Canary Islands lack physical space, but the regional government is struggling to hire professionals trained to work with the young migrants on the islands located some 1,300 kilometers (800 miles) from mainland Spain.


As a result, the children and teenagers languishing on the islands are not receiving the protections they are entitled to under Spanish and European law, including education and healthcare. Spanish media have reported overcrowded centers as well as cases of abuse and mistreatment. On the island of Lanzarote, authorities have set up temporary tents to accommodate the new arrivals.

Candil warned that the situation is only expected to deteriorate as boats keep sailing from the coasts of Senegal, Mauritania and the Western Sahara to the Spanish islands just 100 kilometres (60 miles) from Africa’s western coast.

Nearly 20,000 men, women and children have reached the Canaries so far this year, a 160% increase from 2023. And that’s even before the high season for migrant crossings begins in the fall, Candil added.

Earlier this year, the EU signed a 210 million euro deal with Mauritania to stop smugglers from launching boats for Spain. But the deal has had little effect on migrant arrivals for now.

Should the bill not pass for consideration in the Spanish parliament “it would be a failure for Spain and Europe,” Candil said before Tuesday’s vote. With a population of 48 million people, it shouldn’t be difficult for regions in mainland Spain to cope with a few hundred children, he argued. The Canary Islands would still care for the majority of unaccompanied minors.
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« Reply #34934 on: July 23, 2024, 06:30:04 PM »
I'm going to float on a raft to a Caribbean island (from the island next door) and apply for assistance.  

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« Reply #34935 on: July 23, 2024, 06:33:30 PM »
If you are convinced either one is/was "the sharpest in the room" you might be the dumbest in the room.  Politicians lie, and the idiots believe them.  Always have, always will

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« Reply #34936 on: July 23, 2024, 06:38:29 PM »
It will be interesting to see what this does to the credibility of the Democrats/media.  Trump's best line of attack, IMHO, is to paint Harris as part of the cover-up.  That puts her in a disastrous position.  She has to either:
  • Argue that there wasn't a cover-up when everyone knows there was, or
  • Argue that she wasn't a part of it which would mean either that she was so ignorant or unimportant in the Administration that she didn't know, or
  • Accept that she was part of it and plead for mercy based on being kind to an old man. 
It is a pick-your-poison situation for her. 
Honestly, I don't think it's a big deal. It's not the sort of coverup anyone cares about. 

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« Reply #34937 on: July 23, 2024, 06:51:10 PM »
Maybe Mdot can walk us through how 9/11 was an inside job.
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« Reply #34939 on: July 23, 2024, 07:14:15 PM »
remember to always wear your safety glasses
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« Reply #34940 on: July 23, 2024, 07:15:29 PM »
While I would like you to be right about Harris not winning ( again, I can’t stand either candidate, but I want the pendulum to swing back a little bit to the right), my thinking is she will win. 

yes, I know that just a couple weeks ago she was a laughing stock and even the Democrats couldn’t bear the thought of putting her up there because they were embarrassed). 

But that’s not how elections work these days. As several on this forum have accurately pointed out, there are a large base in each party that will vote for the R and D, no matter what.
I think there's a lot of questionable stuff to take out of ANY polls about a would-be candidate who isn't a candidate. When people opine about what they thought about Kamala three days ago, they were not anchored to Kamala being the candidate. Frankly most probably had no real opinion or clue about her, and were just spouting off to pollsters about "gut feelings" yea or nay. 

Now that she's the presumptive nominee, it makes everything concrete and people have to actually pay attention and form an opinion, they'll do so. And not only will they form an opinion on her as her, they'll form an opinion on her as the opponent to Trump. 

So we'll see what happens. It's a lot easier for Dems to not be excited about her when she's the bottom half of the ticket. Cognitive dissonance will make it MUCH harder to not be excited about her when she's atop the ticket. 

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« Reply #34942 on: July 23, 2024, 07:34:27 PM »
I think there's a lot of questionable stuff to take out of ANY polls about a would-be candidate who isn't a candidate. When people opine about what they thought about Kamala three days ago, they were not anchored to Kamala being the candidate. Frankly most probably had no real opinion or clue about her, and were just spouting off to pollsters about "gut feelings" yea or nay.

Now that she's the presumptive nominee, it makes everything concrete and people have to actually pay attention and form an opinion, they'll do so. And not only will they form an opinion on her as her, they'll form an opinion on her as the opponent to Trump.

So we'll see what happens. It's a lot easier for Dems to not be excited about her when she's the bottom half of the ticket. Cognitive dissonance will make it MUCH harder to not be excited about her when she's atop the ticket.
Pretty much disagree with just about all of this.  But it is what it is. 
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« Reply #34943 on: July 23, 2024, 07:48:34 PM »

Pretty much disagree with just about all of this.  But it is what it is. 
Can you elaborate? I'm sorta spitballing on that, so I'd love to know what it is you disagree with. 

My view is that for the casual voter, they've never given a TON of thought to Kamala at the top of the ticket. Even post-debate and with all the calls for Joe to drop out, many voters were probably taking a "wait and see what happens" approach rather than really trying to determine who Kamala is and how strong she'll be as a candidate. 

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a lot of people have much stronger opinions on her than I do. I dunno...

 

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