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I'm astounded that you can describe some of the efforts Trump made to overturn the election, then say the media is at fault for making people think Trump tried to overturn the election.

yeah he tried to overturn the election by......challenging in the courts. And he lost in the courts. Checks. And. Balances. 

And again, that is not unprecedented. it's happened before and will likely happen again at some point in US history.

yeah he tried to overturn the election by......challenging in the courts. And he lost in the courts. 

I could list some things Trump tried that went beyond challenging in the courts.  They are well known, but tend to get ignored by some folks as "fake news" or something.

1. I cited well more than one city. Go back and take a peek.

2. You mean before the BLM riots mostly peaceful protests, right?

3. People are moving from "progressive" cities in favor of more moderate ones. That I will buy.

They are fleeing high crime, taxes, etc. in favor of a safer place to live.

And better weather.  And jobs.  And space.  And value.  

None of this disputes my point-- that lumping everyone in the suburbs in with the actual urban area, removes the distinctions in an imperfect way.  My case is clearly an example of that.  If I'm one of the reasons my suburb is "purple" rather than the "blue" of the urban center itself, that's just supporting my statement.

I'm also not sure Chicago/Illinois as a lone example is a representative sample. My suburb might be "blended" but while Austin districts went strongly to Biden (and Hillary before that), my district and most other major suburbs around Austin still went heavily to Trump.

I'll pause here to note that I did not vote for Trump.  But my district did in 2016 and 2020 and it will again in 2024.

Right, but we're talking about statewide voting trends.

• OAM specifically speculated that Texas will turn blue. Quite frankly, I think that was the start of all of this. He didn't make it about specific "big cities" vs "suburbs". 
• CD specifically talked about GA, a state that was blue in 2020. He called out both the Atlanta population and the greater metropolitan area population. 
• CD said that rural areas are red, suburbs are more purple, and the urban centers blue.
• CD and/or Fearless talked about how as a state gets "more urban", it tends to shift more blue. 
• It was Badge that then said he didn't understand because the "big cities" are poorly run, and pointing out that they were typically always run by "blue" elements, the D's. 

I believe that you have to account for both the suburbs and the "big cities" when you talk about the subject. Yes, it's important to acknowledge the differences. But I'm not trying to lump them in together or calling them homogenous. 

Looking at 2020 results, Travis County (Austin) went for Biden at 71.4%. Round Rock is in Williamson County, which actually narrowly went for Biden (49.6% which was a plurality). If I compare that to a West Texas county picked at random from a map, I look at Scurry County, which went for Trump 84.9%. 

If I look at the vote totals as a proxy for population (hence rural vs suburban/urban), 19 of 20 of the the lowest-vote counties went Trump. Most of those went for Trump at a rate higher than 80%, with quite a few above 90%. 11 of the 20 most-vote counties went Biden. Of the remaining 9, the highest was 71% for Trump, with 4 of 9 over 60%, and 5 of the 9 between 50-59.9%. 

If Texas continues to urbanize, it would be expected to slowly turn purple and possibly eventually blue, as OAM suggested. This is unlikely to be forestalled by Badge's confusion at how "big cities" are being [mis-]managed by Democrats.

And better weather.  And jobs.  And space.  And value. 

I knew of the weather dangers down here.

We moved to get away from the policies being discussed here. Being in a suburb was no longer enough. Crime was starting to expand out, so we sold and then rented until it was time to move (2 years).

Our suburb us still safe, mostly due to having the largest per-capita police force in the country.

(The town where the Brown's Chicken murders happened)

Ga’head. Name em.

Trump’s phone call with the Georgia secretary of state? Fake electors scheme?

Those are far more legitimate criticisms of Trump and far more serious than January 6, but no one talks about those do they? All they want to talk about are a couple thousand gunless idiots committing property damage and trespassing at the capital. Oh the horror! Oh the Insurrection!

Mdot has a very credible point here.  Was J6 really overblown from the media ?  I personally know of several people who thought about going up there, but did not.  For what, they weren't really sure, but they just wanted to protest and march in support of Trump.  And as far as I know, none of the rioters used guns while in the capital, even though most of them assuredly own and possess many, many firearms.  Was it really simply a case of 99% of them getting caught up with the few that did intend to do real harm, but they really had no plan other than disruption.