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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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FearlessF

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34174 on: July 13, 2024, 05:22:57 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 13, 2024, 01:30:33 PM
Really?!?  His politics are to blame?!?
Grow up.
no, but liberals sometimes don't know jack squat
and that might cost someone their life
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34175 on: July 13, 2024, 09:40:55 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 13, 2024, 09:27:30 AM
How about maybe a stupid liberal anti-gun clown doesn't do movies where he has to fire something he knows nothing about?
That feels like an odd direction to take this. 

On the plus side, probably good when Brady violations have some teeth. 
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34176 on: July 14, 2024, 07:57:21 AM »
Were I some Hollywood star who made a lot of public pronouncements against guns, I'd avoid being in movies where guns were prominent (presuming I could afford it).

I'm not sure I personally know how to check a firearm for real ammunition relative to whatever Hollywood uses.  In a revolver, they seem to emply something that appears like the real thing if a closeup is involved from the front.

Maybe the rear of the cartridges look different, one hopes they do.  
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34177 on: July 14, 2024, 01:21:58 PM »
Why do we as a collective seem unable to just say "sometimes accidents happen"???

He obviously didn't mean to shoot someone.  
I'm 99.9% sure whoever loaded it didn't mean to load actual ammunition.
Always need someone to blame.  Often need to include politics in it somehow.

Shit, this is why driverless cars aren't the norm today.  When an accident happens, no one to blame.  No one to lock up.  No one to sue.  So we're not interested.  

Can't develop and progress without someone to blame.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34178 on: July 14, 2024, 01:40:23 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 14, 2024, 01:21:58 PM
Why do we as a collective seem unable to just say "sometimes accidents happen"???

He obviously didn't mean to shoot someone. 
I'm 99.9% sure whoever loaded it didn't mean to load actual ammunition.
Always need someone to blame.  Often need to include politics in it somehow.

Shit, this is why driverless cars aren't the norm today.  When an accident happens, no one to blame.  No one to lock up.  No one to sue.  So we're not interested. 

Can't develop and progress without someone to blame.
Some of that is true, but a person can still be culpable legally when "accidents happen".  One can be culpable by failing to act in some cases.  

We don't excuse people legally in every case just because accidents happen.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34179 on: July 14, 2024, 04:02:22 PM »
So say the real and blank ammo are miss-marked.  
Not the actor's fault.
Not the prop person's fault.
Maybe it's a mechanical fault at a factory.

Are we sending the operator of the labeling machine to jail?
Or the CEO of that company?

How many steps back do we go?

Accidents happen every day.  Sadly, some minute percentage of those accidents yield a death.  
Still an accident.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34180 on: July 14, 2024, 04:10:41 PM »
I was pretty dubious on these charges from the beginning - in general using the criminal system to monday morning quarterback accidents isn't my idea of justice.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34181 on: July 14, 2024, 08:15:25 PM »
neg·li·gence

failure to take proper care in doing something.
"some of these accidents are due to negligence"

LAW
failure to use reasonable care, resulting in damage or injury to another.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34182 on: July 14, 2024, 08:23:09 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 14, 2024, 08:15:25 PM
neg·li·gence

failure to take proper care in doing something.
"some of these accidents are due to negligence"

LAW
failure to use reasonable care, resulting in damage or injury to another.

I'd say hiring someone to take care of that specific responsibility removes the negligence
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« Reply #34183 on: July 14, 2024, 08:24:11 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 14, 2024, 08:15:25 PM
neg·li·gence

failure to take proper care in doing something.
"some of these accidents are due to negligence"

LAW
failure to use reasonable care, resulting in damage or injury to another.

In legal terms its the difference between negligence and gross negligence

when folks cross over simple negligence to gross negligence that they might run afoul of the law
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34184 on: July 14, 2024, 08:26:07 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on July 14, 2024, 08:23:09 PM
I'd say hiring someone to take care of that specific responsibility removes the negligence
nope it doesnt if the person hired was under trained or had a bad track record
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34185 on: July 14, 2024, 08:37:13 PM »
if you pick up a firearm, it's your specific responsibility

otherwise, hire someone else to pick it up
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #34186 on: July 14, 2024, 08:39:05 PM »
An actor likely never thinks they're holding an actual firearm, because they're (supposed to be) given anything with live ammunition.

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« Reply #34187 on: July 14, 2024, 08:52:47 PM »
but, he WAS holding an actual firearm

therefore, it's his responsibility
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