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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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« Reply #33950 on: July 05, 2024, 08:15:07 AM »
the president is usually blamed

just spin it as affordable housing
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« Reply #33951 on: July 05, 2024, 08:23:33 AM »
Interest rates. It's a problem that was manufactured on purpose.
Are you saying they’re too high ? 

Interest rates have historically been much higher on average than what we’ve had now. 

We’ve had artificially low interest rates in the US since the early 2000’s IMO. 


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« Reply #33952 on: July 05, 2024, 08:28:35 AM »
They have been low by previous standards, but I don't know why they are artificially low.  And yes, I know the Fed has a ton of influence, but they are driven by other factors.  Low interest rates are good for economic growth, in most cases.  Inflation is often a reason they aren't kept low.  My first home mortgage application in 1981 was cited at 17.5%.


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« Reply #33953 on: July 05, 2024, 08:32:14 AM »
home buyers LOVE artificially low interest rates
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« Reply #33954 on: July 05, 2024, 08:35:43 AM »
Are you saying they’re too high ?

Interest rates have historically been much higher on average than what we’ve had now.

We’ve had artificially low interest rates in the US since the early 2000’s IMO.


Not necessarily.

We needlessly printed trillions of dollars, causing hyperinflation (remember when they told us it was transitory?).

We went from <3 percent to >8 percent or more in a very short period, and it spooked people from buying homes.

I think the sweet spot is about 4.5-5 percent.
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« Reply #33955 on: July 05, 2024, 08:35:48 AM »
Especially those with ARMs.  A thing I noticed is that with high mortgage rates, real estate prices are depressed, and vice versa.  So, at times, you end up paying about the same (broadly speaking, over time).  I got a mortgage on our second house in 1987 at 12.5% and thought that was pretty good.  I refinanced several times, and finally ended up with a HELOC at something like 7%.  Rates continued to fall and I paid it off at some point.

I should have this place paid off in 13 months.  We have a ten year ARM at 3.375%.  

Anyway, interest rates are still pretty low by most historical fairly recent standards, I just don't know if they are artificial exactly.

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« Reply #33956 on: July 05, 2024, 08:44:01 AM »
We have a 2.75 ARM for another 8 years and the house will be paid off. We're not going anywhere, so a crash wouldn't hurt us, but you still don't want to see it.

My business has been through another crash caused on purpose. 

I'm very proud that we made it out.
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« Reply #33957 on: July 05, 2024, 08:52:52 AM »
Folks have been calling for a recession for a decade now, and aside from COVID, haven't had one really.  The inverted interest rate curve has been around for years now, and hasn't seemed to matter.  I moved money into CDs paying 5.4% or so, short term, enough to get by for several years.

One problem with higher interest rates of course is the service on the debt goes up rather steeply, compounding etc.


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« Reply #33958 on: July 05, 2024, 09:10:18 AM »
same with any company that carries debt
the accountants get itchy about excess inventory and such
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« Reply #33959 on: July 05, 2024, 09:37:06 AM »
Especially those with ARMs.  A thing I noticed is that with high mortgage rates, real estate prices are depressed, and vice versa.  So, at times, you end up paying about the same (broadly speaking, over time).  I got a mortgage on our second house in 1987 at 12.5% and thought that was pretty good.  I refinanced several times, and finally ended up with a HELOC at something like 7%.  Rates continued to fall and I paid it off at some point.
Usually. The problem is right now we have high home prices and high interest rates. The interest rates followed a massive run-up in house prices, and now everyone is locked into big mortgages with low interest rates and don't want to sell, so there's no inventory. With no inventory, the affordability problem (high prices + high interest rates) won't reverse because while demand at these prices is low, so is supply. 

We have a 2.75 ARM for another 8 years and the house will be paid off. We're not going anywhere, so a crash wouldn't hurt us, but you still don't want to see it.
I wouldn't mind a housing crash at all. In fact, I've been wondering what the eff is taking so long with it...

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« Reply #33960 on: July 05, 2024, 09:40:47 AM »
Yup.  I've never seen a real estate market like this one.  And we've had this one for a while now.

The county here keeps boosting our property valuation, which doesn't help me of course.  My RE taxes are rough.


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« Reply #33961 on: July 05, 2024, 09:41:22 AM »
A housing crash would probably put me out of business. I don't have the same energy to get through it like I did in 2008.

So, thanks for your wishes.
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« Reply #33962 on: July 05, 2024, 09:45:22 AM »
Maybe we could use a housing "weakening" well short of any crash.

But the main thing as noted above is lack of inventory because of previously low interest rates, and some other factors.

Our RE agent notes that he could sell his house for a handsome profit, but then what?  Where would he move?  He'd end up no better off unless he seriously downsizes.

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« Reply #33963 on: July 05, 2024, 09:54:38 AM »
A housing crash would probably put me out of business. I don't have the same energy to get through it like I did in 2008.

So, thanks for your wishes.
Definitely don't wish you harm, Badge.

But "owning a home" is the biggest remaining chess piece in my strategy of building wealth to set me up for retirement in hopefully <20 years. And it's going to take prices coming down substantially to get there. 

 

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