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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #33306 on: June 19, 2024, 07:44:59 AM »
From what I've read, not all countries require an undergrad degree to enter medical school. That significantly shortens the amount of time required to become a doctor. India, for example, does this, and that is where we import most of our imported doctors.
They have to make up the educational shortages here, while in residence.

While some countries do not require the actual BS degree, the educational requirements are equivalent in many cases.
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« Reply #33307 on: June 19, 2024, 07:45:21 AM »
Argentina also enjoys a low cost of living and offers low-cost medical degree programs. These programs are very easy to get into; you only need a high school diploma to qualify. But you must speak Spanish fluently because all of the courses are taught in that language.
Argentinian medical study programs are unique because they do not set any prerequisites. Most universities around the world require at least a Medical Colleges Admission Test (MCAT). Since 2010, more schools also require medical school applicants to submit a Computer-based Assessment for Sampling Personal Characteristics (CASPer) test result.
You can bypass entrance exam requirements by making Belize your destination for medical studies. No need to submit MCAT or CASPer results along with your application. But you'll have to have a large chunk of money because the cost of living in Belize is very high. Tuition is roughly A$5000 per three-month term.

Like Belize universities, Ireland's six medical schools have minimal conditions for enrolment. You must speak English, of course, and you should have a satisfactory school-leaving certificate. Medical schools in Ireland also accept International Baccalaureate results, especially if you tested in Chemistry, Biology and other such subjects.
Note that Irish universities give preference to domestic medical school applicants. Should you be accepted into an Irish university Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS) program, tuition will be steep. All estimates point to a minimum price tag of A$88,500.00 for the whole course. That doesn't include study materials or living expenses.
Sweden puts almost all of these medical programs to shame. If you passed high school chemistry, biology, physics and maths, you're welcome to apply. You may get a waiver on having to know the Swedish language because you are a native English speaker. It will take you less than six years to earn your MBBS and you might save a lot of money, too.



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« Reply #33308 on: June 19, 2024, 07:53:02 AM »
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« Reply #33309 on: June 19, 2024, 08:00:23 AM »
Argentina also enjoys a low cost of living and offers low-cost medical degree programs. These programs are very easy to get into; you only need a high school diploma to qualify. But you must speak Spanish fluently because all of the courses are taught in that language.
Argentinian medical study programs are unique because they do not set any prerequisites. Most universities around the world require at least a Medical Colleges Admission Test (MCAT). Since 2010, more schools also require medical school applicants to submit a Computer-based Assessment for Sampling Personal Characteristics (CASPer) test result.
You can bypass entrance exam requirements by making Belize your destination for medical studies. No need to submit MCAT or CASPer results along with your application. But you'll have to have a large chunk of money because the cost of living in Belize is very high. Tuition is roughly A$5000 per three-month term.

Like Belize universities, Ireland's six medical schools have minimal conditions for enrolment. You must speak English, of course, and you should have a satisfactory school-leaving certificate. Medical schools in Ireland also accept International Baccalaureate results, especially if you tested in Chemistry, Biology and other such subjects.
Note that Irish universities give preference to domestic medical school applicants. Should you be accepted into an Irish university Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS) program, tuition will be steep. All estimates point to a minimum price tag of A$88,500.00 for the whole course. That doesn't include study materials or living expenses.
Sweden puts almost all of these medical programs to shame. If you passed high school chemistry, biology, physics and maths, you're welcome to apply. You may get a waiver on having to know the Swedish language because you are a native English speaker. It will take you less than six years to earn your MBBS and you might save a lot of money, too.



Let us not forget that our undergraduate degrees in this country contain a lot of fluff, under the guise of breadth, which is bullshit. Liberal Arts professors would be out of a job if their courses weren't stuffed into an engineering curriculum.

An engineering degree should be at most 3 years. For many students, it's 5 years. And a lot more money spent on useless gibberish spewed by some clown with a "PhD" who doesn't deserve the suffix.
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« Reply #33310 on: June 19, 2024, 08:06:40 AM »
I think a good bit of our college experience is meant to make up for deficient HS education.  In Europe, you pick your major straight away and take nearly all your courses in that major.  It doesn't take less time, but you'd get a lot more "education" in your degreed field.  And of course, college there are more selective, a lower percentage of high schoolers go to college than here.

We have "below average" HS students going to college pretty often.

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« Reply #33311 on: June 19, 2024, 08:07:18 AM »
The Americans with degrees who cannot get jobs do not have STEM degrees. Those are too hard.

Art history, baby! Let's party!

And then live in mom's basement, complaining about their student loan.
Some, but I’ve known plenty of people who went to smaller schools that have STEM or STEM related degrees who can’t find good jobs. 

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« Reply #33312 on: June 19, 2024, 08:08:22 AM »
Biden Sees Obama’s DACA, and Raises - WSJ

Free link:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-immigration-order-spouses-citizens-parole-in-place-daca-barack-obama-efa2c91e?st=7d29t8tshxpdyln&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-immigration-order-spouses-citizens-parole-in-place-daca-barack-obama-efa2c91e?st=7d29t8tshxpdyln&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
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« Reply #33313 on: June 19, 2024, 08:09:24 AM »
They have to make up the educational shortages here, while in residence.

While some countries do not require the actual BS degree, the educational requirements are equivalent in many cases.
How do you make up for an undergrad degree in residence? I'm just saying the length of time to become a doctor in America is typically 8 years, while it is six in India. That's a significant difference.

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« Reply #33314 on: June 19, 2024, 08:09:38 AM »
I think everyone in the US can get a job, it may not be the job of their dreams of course, initially.

One of my barbers has a daughter with a Biology degree.  She apparently didn't get into Medical School, so she has a job at some insurance company.

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« Reply #33315 on: June 19, 2024, 08:10:51 AM »
Some, but I’ve known plenty of people who went to smaller schools that have STEM or STEM related degrees who can’t find good jobs.
What is STEM-related?

You know what I'm starting to see?

Referrals to STEAM programs.

Science, Technology, Engineering, Arts, and Math.

One of those is not like the others, but they forced their way in.
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« Reply #33316 on: June 19, 2024, 08:12:11 AM »
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« Reply #33317 on: June 19, 2024, 08:13:26 AM »
How do you make up for an undergrad degree in residence? I'm just saying the length of time to become a doctor in America is typically 8 years, while it is six in India. That's a significant difference.
I've only known of one example. He worked in the office my former primary worked in.

He had to make up organic chemistry and a physics course to meet the requirements for licensure in the USA.

And the length of time is based on all of the silly-ass classes we are forced to take here, that have NOTHING to do with our intended career.
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« Reply #33318 on: June 19, 2024, 08:14:52 AM »
The term "science" is rather broad, really.  Obviously it includes geology, a field rather dependent on oil companies for employment often as not.  And biology, and maybe some other more fringe fields that snuck under the umbrella, I don't know.

A math major might struggle to find a job in mathematics.  A BS in Physics isn't all that employable either.  I'm told a lot of the PhD physicists end up on Wall Street, probably true for math PhDs as well.

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« Reply #33319 on: June 19, 2024, 08:17:57 AM »
https://www.statista.com/statistics/632322/us-national-school-lunch-program-federal-costs-timeline/#:~:text=In%20the%20fiscal%20year%20of,around%207.9%20billion%20U.S.%20dollars.

$28.7 Billion for school lunches in 2022.


https://www.npr.org/2020/01/19/797319968/-11-billion-and-counting-trumps-border-wall-would-be-the-world-s-most-costly

$11 Billion in total for wall construction. 

$28.7 > $11

A few additional points:

  • This comparison is ridiculously unfair because the $28.7 is in one year while the $11 Billion is in total.
  • As I've said repeatedly, border security should be fixed EVEN if we are going to allow more-or-less unlimited immigration because we should still screen border crossers and check for:
  • Around 75,000 Americans die every year from Fentanyl. The wall isn't just about wages, and saving American lives from immigrant criminals and immigrant terrorists, it is also about saving American lives from Fentanyl.
The US Deficit will be over $1.9 Trillion this year:
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/cbo-projects-fy-2024-us-deficit-jump-19-trln-amid-higher-outlays-2024-06-18/#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C%20June%2018%20(Reuters),increase%20over%20its%20previous%20forecast.


The US, much like the guy selling $12 hammers for $10 isn't making up losses on volume.

 

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