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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32662 on: June 10, 2024, 03:11:02 PM »
It's interesting to see the contrasting fortunes of the right wing parties.

On one hand, Macron just called a snap election for his parliament in an attempt to keep Marine Le Pen and her ilk at bay. 

Across the channel, the Tories are heading for a biblical flogging as a result of Brexit buyers remorse.
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« Reply #32663 on: June 10, 2024, 03:23:12 PM »
Quote from: LetsGoPeay on June 10, 2024, 12:02:23 PM
Someone hit and runned my son's car right in front of the house last night. People are assholes.
I've been shopping for a new vehicle because my insurance totalled mine.

I got rear-ended on the highway so it was the other guy's fault but he was uninsured so yeah, people are a-holes.
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« Reply #32664 on: June 10, 2024, 03:23:57 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/08/opinion/biden-trump-immigration.html

Even Biden, Kristoff, and the NYT are waking up on immigration. 
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« Reply #32665 on: June 10, 2024, 03:29:42 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 10, 2024, 03:23:57 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/08/opinion/biden-trump-immigration.html

Even Biden, Kristoff, and the NYT are waking up on immigration.
A campaign move, and nothing more. And if you look at the order, it really doesn't stop much of anything.
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« Reply #32666 on: June 10, 2024, 03:46:40 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 10, 2024, 03:29:42 PM
A campaign move, and nothing more. And if you look at the order, it really doesn't stop much of anything.
I view it more as an acknowledgement that the existing Democratic position on immigration is a millstone around the neck of Democratic electoral chances.
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« Reply #32667 on: June 10, 2024, 03:49:52 PM »
Exactly.
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« Reply #32668 on: June 10, 2024, 03:57:17 PM »
The thing it, it seems to be alienating a lot of "progressive" types (along with the Israeli thing), it won't budge any Trump supporters, and the folks in the middle probably don't think it means much of anything beyond a political ploy.

So, as a campaign tactic, I'd call it poor.
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« Reply #32669 on: June 10, 2024, 04:02:03 PM »
It's been a problem for 3+ years, but NOW it's a problem.
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« Reply #32670 on: June 10, 2024, 04:04:24 PM »
it's been a problem for 30+ years
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« Reply #32671 on: June 10, 2024, 04:05:40 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 10, 2024, 03:57:17 PM
The thing it, it seems to be alienating a lot of "progressive" types (along with the Israeli thing), it won't budge any Trump supporters, and the folks in the middle probably don't think it means much of anything beyond a political ploy.

So, as a campaign tactic, I'd call it poor.
The "Israeli thing" is a fascinating fissure in the "progressive" coalition. 

Jewish US voters have historically been not just Democratic leaning but overwhelmingly Democratic. Where this situation will lead is anyone's guess but I think we are at a crossroads. 
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« Reply #32672 on: June 10, 2024, 04:08:30 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 10, 2024, 04:04:24 PM
it's been a problem for 30+ years
Without looking it up, Reagan's Amnesty was about 35 years ago so it has been a problem since well before that.

That Amnesty deal was supposed to trade Amnesty for border security but the pro-immigration side got their Amnesty and my side got screwed. If you ever want to know why my side is totally unwilling to compromise, there is your answer. 
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« Reply #32673 on: June 10, 2024, 04:12:01 PM »
yup, and I just don't understand that for 40-50-60 years, the idgits in power can't find a better solution
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« Reply #32674 on: June 10, 2024, 04:16:41 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 10, 2024, 04:12:01 PM
yup, and I just don't understand that for 40-50-60 years, the idgits in power can't find a better solution
It isn't that they can't find it, the underlying issue is that the American people broadly support immigration restrictions but the donor class broadly supports cheap labor so politicians are caught between their voters and their contributors.
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« Reply #32675 on: June 10, 2024, 04:17:53 PM »
I think it's more complex than that, but that is one issue.

So long as folks really badly want to get away from there and come here, they will.

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