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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32550 on: June 06, 2024, 07:39:04 PM »
Not looking it up is what we're going for here.  AD AP is not the answer (7th pick).
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32551 on: June 06, 2024, 07:48:38 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 06, 2024, 07:30:50 PM
I'll never understand poppyseed bread products.  What do they add?  They just fall off and/or get stuck in your teeth.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32552 on: June 06, 2024, 07:54:47 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 06, 2024, 07:31:25 PM
Fun trivia:  Name the last RB to be chosen #1 in the NFL Draft.
Not sure if he was the last one, but definitely remember Kijana Carter. 😑
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« Reply #32553 on: June 06, 2024, 08:33:07 PM »
Either way, if you take a RB #1, you're probably dumb. 

If you have the #1 pick, your team sucks. RBs can't produce for themselves (perhaps Barry Sanders excepted). They need an offensive line. If you're so bad that you've got the #1 pick, you probably have a sh!tty o-line. A running back isn't going to help you. 

The same is somewhat true of a QB. If you have the #1 pick, you probably don't have the o-line or the offensive skill players to support that QB. That QB--who will be expected to pretty much start immediately--is going to be shell-shocked by midseason. Probably [especially] because he's used to playing on an Alabama or OSU or [insert helmet team here] squad where he's been surrounded by players who have a talent advantage over every single team they face short of the CFP. 

Teams keep doing it. Teams keep failing. I'm guessing it's not stupidity. I'm guessing it's pandering to fans who are going to roast a GM if they take a can't-miss LT or edge rusher #1 because their fans look at their sh!tty QB (who is mostly sh!tty because he's got no supporting cast) and want to replace him first with the hottest name on the market even though they don't have the supporting cast for the next guy either. 
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« Reply #32554 on: June 06, 2024, 09:27:07 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on June 06, 2024, 07:54:47 PM
Not sure if he was the last one, but definitely remember Kijana Carter. 😑
DING DING DING

Carter was the last RB chosen 1 overall....29 years ago.
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« Reply #32555 on: June 06, 2024, 09:44:34 PM »
how'd that turn out?

no wonder it hasn't happened since
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« Reply #32556 on: June 06, 2024, 10:23:04 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 06, 2024, 09:27:07 PM
DING DING DING

Carter was the last RB chosen 1 overall....29 years ago.
That’s amazing.    
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« Reply #32557 on: June 06, 2024, 10:26:33 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 06, 2024, 08:33:07 PM
Either way, if you take a RB #1, you're probably dumb.

If you have the #1 pick, your team sucks. RBs can't produce for themselves (perhaps Barry Sanders excepted). They need an offensive line. If you're so bad that you've got the #1 pick, you probably have a sh!tty o-line. A running back isn't going to help you.

The same is somewhat true of a QB. If you have the #1 pick, you probably don't have the o-line or the offensive skill players to support that QB. That QB--who will be expected to pretty much start immediately--is going to be shell-shocked by midseason. Probably [especially] because he's used to playing on an Alabama or OSU or [insert helmet team here] squad where he's been surrounded by players who have a talent advantage over every single team they face short of the CFP.

Teams keep doing it. Teams keep failing. I'm guessing it's not stupidity. I'm guessing it's pandering to fans who are going to roast a GM if they take a can't-miss LT or edge rusher #1 because their fans look at their sh!tty QB (who is mostly sh!tty because he's got no supporting cast) and want to replace him first with the hottest name on the market even though they don't have the supporting cast for the next guy either.
And even if it does eventually pan out, you are wasting his cheap rookie contract trying to build a team around him.  After that, every starting QB, even ifnits a Jared Goff/Daniel Jones caliber of like the 15th best starter, eats up so much of your cap
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32558 on: June 06, 2024, 11:18:24 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on June 06, 2024, 07:02:07 PM
Most illegal immigrants aren't going to qualify for social security. The great shame of our immigration policy is apparently someone with a massive head wound may get treated in a hospital? Is that a serious concern?
Social Security is just another reason that immigration needs to be severely restricted. The SS system is a fiscal catastrophe even for natives and we pay into it from our first day flipping burgers in our teens through our last day passing out carts st Wal-Mart in our elder years.

Since the system is already losing money, adding people anywhere beyond the start of their working lives obviously makes that worse.

Ssimilarly, adding anyone whose earning potential is below average pushes the system further underwater.

We have NO shortage of unskilled and semi-skilled laborers as evidenced by the ever increasing income inequality. Bringing in more unskilled and semi-skilled laborers only makes that worse even if they do actually work.

I didn't say anything about massive head wounds and that isn't the point. The legitimate uses of ER services by illegals can at least be understood, it is the illegitimate uses of ER services by uninsured illegals that have the larger impact on all of our healthcare costs.
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« Reply #32559 on: June 06, 2024, 11:26:20 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on June 06, 2024, 07:02:07 PM
You should believe me. Because the number one thing that New York (and everyone else) is asking for is to allow work authorizations for people seeking asylum. The overall problem is the "paternal" people, who like you view the immigrants as helpless lambs who must be fed and clothed and couldn't possibly contribute to society. Despite extreme evidence that is is utter nonsense, it is what drives a lot of our immigration policy.


Our actual policy is to require people to wait six months before asking for work authorization after filing for asylum, which itself can take quite a long time. Our actual federal law is that people seeking asylum aren't allowed to work and take care of themselves for roughly a year, and that is if they are lucky. If you are thinking that is bananas, that's because it is.
How about we just stop letting in asylum seekers, problem solved.
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« Reply #32560 on: June 06, 2024, 11:31:46 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on June 06, 2024, 07:02:07 PM
This is again, completely imaginary, and based on nothing. All the studies are wrong, and people from underdeveloped countries can only come here for free stuff.

It's utter nonsense. Think of the hassle it would take to be from one of these countries, the expense of trying to move, and the complete lack of security in making the trip. The only people willing to even attempt that are the ones who are willing to work hard and take risks and have a lot of the same traits as people who start their own businesses. Immigrants self select into being entrepreneurs, which is why all the studies say the same thing, financed by "cheap labor" or not.
I never said that there were zero immigrants here to work. The problem is that there also are not zero immigrants here for the free stuff. Being poor in America is vastly preferable to being poor in Mexico, Central America, South America, etc. 
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« Reply #32561 on: June 06, 2024, 11:36:34 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on June 06, 2024, 07:02:07 PM
Does having one accident mean our traffic policy is a failure? Does having one crime mean the police are a failure? Of course not. Immigration policy, like all policies, balances a lot of different things. My point is that we spend a lot of needless time and money on immigration policy that both doesn't work as we want and also makes us poorer. Thinking the policy has failed because a criminal exists makes no sense unless the only possible factor in immigration is to account for criminals, and of course it is not.
One traffic accident doesn't mean that our traffic policy is a failure but an accident IS a failure of that policy. Similarly, each immigrant criminal IS a failure of immigration policy. 
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« Reply #32562 on: June 06, 2024, 11:43:53 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on June 06, 2024, 07:02:07 PM
This dovetails with everything else - all the facts and studies are wrong. Instead, if any immigrants have committed a crime, our policy is a failure. And we know immigrants have committed crimes because courts hire interpreters. For one, of course immigrants have committed crimes. For two, courts also handle non crime issues, like divorces and child custody and people suing each other. The Ohio Supreme Court has access to interpreters a goal, and for good reason. Courts don't function well when no one understands each other.
End immigration, no interpreters needed, problem solved.

As I said, I'm in low-immigration Ohio and in one of the lowest immigration Counties in low-immigration Ohio so I'm probably in one of the lowest immigration Counties in the whole country and we have an immigrant crime problem here. 

I don't care what lies you are fed, if we have an immigrant crime problem HERE, then we either:
  • Have WAY too many immigrants, or
  • Have comically ineffective screening of immigrants, or
  • Both.

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« Reply #32563 on: June 07, 2024, 06:48:05 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 06, 2024, 11:43:53 PM
End immigration, no interpreters needed, problem solved.

As I said, I'm in low-immigration Ohio and in one of the lowest immigration Counties in low-immigration Ohio so I'm probably in one of the lowest immigration Counties in the whole country and we have an immigrant crime problem here.

I don't care what lies you are fed, if we have an immigrant crime problem HERE, then we either:
  • Have WAY too many immigrants, or
  • Have comically ineffective screening of immigrants, or
  • Both.
Much of Ohio is low immigration, and much of Ohio is struggling. A lot of overlap in those two areas.
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