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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32228 on: May 28, 2024, 08:54:41 AM »
I have beef tip in paris with a bleu cheese that was out of this world.
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« Reply #32229 on: May 28, 2024, 10:20:55 AM »
Don't see tri tip around here. What is the cut again?
Everyone has already answered that, so I'll expand on a couple bits not covered.

One note: it's very common (especially back East) to confuse tri tip with a top sirloin cap roast, as this is also triangular. The latter is commonly used for (and possibly commonly called) picanha. 

The cut itself comes from a working area of the cow, so it will be more tough than a typical steak. But as often happens, that lends itself to a hell of a lot of flavor. 

What somewhat differentiates tri tip from many of these other "tough" cuts of meat is that it's lean, so it's not something that you're ever going to braise and shred like you might do with a chuck roast. It's definitely a grilling meat, best served med-rare IMHO, or medium for people who don't like med-rare. 

Which leads to an inherent problem--how do you grill and serve a tough cut of meat like this, med-rare, and make it edible? It's all about the slice. When grilled and then thinly--i.e. 1/4" inch, not lunchmeat style--slice it, across the grain, you end up with slices that might have a little chew but aren't tough. This takes a little bit of knowledge about how the muscle is formed, because it actually has grain running two different ways. But once you know where the grain runs, it's easy. There's a seam in the middle that you cut the roast into two, then slice each half individually across the grain. 

The traditional seasoning is "Santa Maria Seasoning", which is just salt, pepper, and garlic. You can season it QUITE liberally, because the meat being thinly sliced means that each slice will only expose a small amount of the edge, so you want that flavor to shine. 

Santa Maria style cooking is done over oak, and they popularized the grill with the grate that can be easily raised and lowered for temp control. As such taking a little bit of smoke flavor is good, although I would still say it is GRILLED over wood, not a "smoked" offering. You want the heat high enough to get some sear, so that the flavor profile is a good mix of the sear, the seasoning, and then kissed with a little bit of smoke. 

For me, I do a sear on the kamado, usually without adding any particular smoking wood, then finish it indirect. As I've said before, I believe that I get more consistent results with sear-first rather than reverse-sear, but tri tip is a 2# hunk of meat so reverse sear works wonderfully too. 

I'd recommend talking to your local butcher to see if it's something they can source for you. 

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« Reply #32230 on: May 28, 2024, 10:39:12 AM »
The cut itself comes from a working area of the cow, so it will be more tough than a typical steak. But as often happens, that lends itself to a hell of a lot of flavor.

What somewhat differentiates tri tip from many of these other "tough" cuts of meat is that it's lean, so it's not something that you're ever going to braise and shred like you might do with a chuck roast. It's definitely a grilling meat, best served med-rare IMHO, or medium for people who don't like med-rare.
why it works so well, in Texas style chili.
Hell of a lotta flavor, not much fat a tall, and tough enough to stand up to simmering in a pot for 3 hours w/o getting mushy/soft.
3/4" cubes, lightly browned in a skillet and then into the pot to simmer in the chili spices.
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« Reply #32231 on: May 28, 2024, 10:42:20 AM »
Honestly, I don't think I would like that cut of meat. I was mostly curious about it because I see it on TV and Cali people call it BBQ, which it is not. 
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« Reply #32232 on: May 28, 2024, 10:45:57 AM »
Sigh.
If only that was the case.

I guess Leviticus is missing from your Bible.
Mediums and fortune-tellers should be killed.
Gay people should be killed.
Adulterers (both parties) should be killed.

The Amalekites say hello.

Islam is probably the worst religion in terms of violence in our lifetime.  But it wasn't always so, nor will it always be so.
The fact that you think you can wash Christianity clean is either ignorant or disgusting. 
Any good acts a religion provides can be done without the supernatural malarkey. 
Grow up.  You haven't a leg to stand on here.  You believe because of where you were born and because you were indoctrinated and because you want to.  Nothing more.
LoL.

I don't think I've ever stated a religious position of my own.

I've avoided it in part because it isn't germane to the topic of comparing religions. If you were capable we could have an academic discussion of religions.

I've very intentionally kept this on YOUR atheist turf. The source I quoted was probably the most famously anti-religious author ever. Hitchens, for whatever anyone thinks of him, was also incredibly smart.

Vis-a-vis "my bible":
First, EVERYTHING that you quoted is from the Old Testament. Christian denominations vary somewhat on their view of the interaction between the Old and New Testaments. At the extremes:
  • Some denominations believe that the entire Old Testament remains in force to the letter,
  • Some denominations believe that the New Testament is a flat out repudiation of all or most of the Old Testament.
So these straw men that you've beaten up are only even plausibly relevant if and to the extent that the specific denomination in question believes that they are still valid.

While you were busy:
  • Calling me a retard
  • Beating up strawmen
  • Telling me to grow up
  • Telling me what I believe despite no evidence that I have ANY supernatural beliefs at all
  • Telling me that I have the aforementioned supernatural beliefs only because I was indoctrinated
You neglected to address the points that I made:
"First, Jesus never led a military campaign. Mohammed did.

Second, Christian obligations to fellow men are unqualified. Jesus did not say for example "Love your CHRISTIAN neighbor as yourself." Instead the obligations of Christianity are unqualified. Islamic obligations are generally to other Muslims.

Third, there is NO Christian command to execute those who renounce Christianity. In Islam this is the crime of Apostacy and is punishable by death, see ""

I think his three main points are entirely accurate.  He never claimed there is no capital punishment for other kinds of deeds.
But of course you didn't. If you actually educated yourself on these points you'd have to concede that you were wrong. And you wonder why you aren't respected here?

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32233 on: May 28, 2024, 10:54:16 AM »
Honestly, I don't think I would like that cut of meat. I was mostly curious about it because I see it on TV and Cali people call it BBQ, which it is not.
Gotcha. If you're ever out this way, come on by and I'll try to change your mind :72:

I put it in the same category as maybe flank steak or flat iron steak, in the sense of cuts that need to be sliced properly to be tender enough, but have great big beefy flavor. But with tri tip being significantly thicker than either, which makes it easier to get that nice med-rare center. 

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« Reply #32234 on: May 28, 2024, 11:00:04 AM »
Honestly, I don't think I would like that cut of meat. I was mostly curious about it because I see it on TV and Cali people call it BBQ, which it is not.
People smoke/BBQ tri-tip. It turns out okay but I'd much rather have brisket or ribs.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #32235 on: May 28, 2024, 11:11:10 AM »
I'm going to look for tri tip when I'm out there if they have it near SD.  It seems nearly every day has been planned by others so ...

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« Reply #32236 on: May 28, 2024, 11:14:16 AM »
LoL.

I don't think I've ever stated a religious position of my own.

I've avoided it in part because it isn't germane to the topic of comparing religions. If you were capable we could have an academic discussion of religions.

I've very intentionally kept this on YOUR atheist turf. The source I quoted was probably the most famously anti-religious author ever. Hitchens, for whatever anyone thinks of him, was also incredibly smart.

Vis-a-vis "my bible":
First, EVERYTHING that you quoted is from the Old Testament. Christian denominations vary somewhat on their view of the interaction between the Old and New Testaments. At the extremes:
  • Some denominations believe that the entire Old Testament remains in force to the letter,
  • Some denominations believe that the New Testament is a flat out repudiation of all or most of the Old Testament.
So these straw men that you've beaten up are only even plausibly relevant if and to the extent that the specific denomination in question believes that they are still valid.

While you were busy:
  • Calling me a retard
  • Beating up strawmen
  • Telling me to grow up
  • Telling me what I believe despite no evidence that I have ANY supernatural beliefs at all
  • Telling me that I have the aforementioned supernatural beliefs only because I was indoctrinated
You neglected to address the points that I made:But of course you didn't. If you actually educated yourself on these points you'd have to concede that you were wrong. And you wonder why you aren't respected here?
Those 3 points are obviously valid, but not germane to the conversation.
Whether you're a Christian or not, you're obviously defending it vs Islam, and holding it up as a better religion or at worst, a lesser evil.

It's all bullshit.

The fact that some christian demonimations hold fast to the OT and some don't shows that it's simply a comfort-food of the mind buffet where you pick and choose what you want to adhere to and ignore.  It's a joke.  All religions are.

I have no earthly clue why people expect islam to fast-forward itself 700 years, as if that's even possible.  Christianity, especially in the last few decades, has become a weakened, liberal shadow of its former self in an attempt to remain relevant.  That's not noble.  That's not righteous.  It's comical and embarrassing.

Islam simply isn't to that point yet.  It will be, someday, but not now.  Once half heir population stops agreeing to wearing beekeeper suits in 100 degree weather and most of them deem it an overreaction to kill people who draw a cartoon, they'll get there.  Eventually.

Pretending one horrible idea that lacks any evidence at all is better than another horrible idea that lacks any evidence at all is gross.  When I consider the nearly infinite number of hours humanity has wasted on this shit, it makes me want to cry.  The sheer volume of wasted time, energy, effort, etc is inconceivable. 

But go on, promote one that advocates for slavery and gives instructions on how to do it.  Have fun with that. 
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« Reply #32237 on: May 28, 2024, 11:14:47 AM »
God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are the tri-tip of religion, to tie this all together.  AmIright?
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« Reply #32238 on: May 28, 2024, 11:17:52 AM »
There are 7 basic theories on why and what is the atonement.  Do a search and you can find a summary of each.  Some are heretical (in my opinion) and some are accepted and/or rejected by different denominations.  A correct understanding is not necessary for salvation.
Thanks. I found this: https://www.sdmorrison.org/7-theories-of-the-atonement-summarized/

Let me know if that is not consistent with the current theories, is oversimplified, is completely misstated, etc... I don't have any basis for determining whether this was a well-stated summary or not. 

My take:

  • #1 is perhaps the most coherent and eloquent answer. To an extent it avoids my question, but in doing so provides a bigger answer making my question irrelevant. But the idea being that Jesus' life itself is meant to be a model for humanity, and that the crucifixion perhaps was more about Jesus showing the world that living up to that moral ideal, even if it results in your own punishment for it, is how far you should be willing to take being moral. It kinda throws out all the "Jesus needed to die to pay for humanity's sinfulness in God's eyes" angle, but I get it. 
  • #2 IMHO falls flat. The idea that humans are "owned" by Satan due to sin and that Jesus needed to die to "buy back" humanity from his clutches seems quite hokey. If God is supposed to be an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent, being, why does God need to be making backroom deals with Satan to "buy back" humanity? I find that one quite unconvincing.
  • #3 also doesn't get there. Why does an all-powerful God need to take human form and die in order to defeat the powers of evil? It seems to me that taking human form and getting crucified is neither necessary nor sufficient to defeat evil. It seems like a story and justification added after the fact to explain something, but doesn't actually explain anything. 
  • #4-7 are all variations on ways to try to directly answer my question. But in seemingly all four cases, they seem to put constraints on God that he can't forgive humanity for sin unless he takes human form and is crucified to lift those constraints. I'd argue that any such constraints on God limit God in a way that cheapens the very idea of God, just as the ransom theory does. Seems like a justification after the fact to try to explain Jesus, by limiting God. 

So to me, it seems that the only one which doesn't answer my question (#1) is the only one that really addresses my question... But given how much of the Christianity I've been exposed to over my life focuses on the "dying for our sins" bit, it also seems that most of Christian doctrine is based on something it doesn't really explain either. 


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« Reply #32239 on: May 28, 2024, 11:18:59 AM »
As noted, Christian beliefs on the OT vary, not surprisingly, but many/most think it has been "replaced" by a New Convenant.  Nearly all the sermons I sat through were on the NT.  For a lot of Christians, their beliefs are based almost solely on the NT.

And to claim "Christianity" has become a shadow of itself in the past few decades is obviously a rather massive over generalization.

I figure if folks want to be Christians or Muslims, it's fine with me, I'm not going to cry over it.  


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« Reply #32240 on: May 28, 2024, 11:22:14 AM »
Beta, I was pondering your question, and nearly as I can recall, the answer I was taught it the following:

Man fell into Sin, God cannot tolerate Sin but created us with the ability to choose (free will), and "we" chose poorly.  As humans are sinful, we could not be in the presence of God, who needed a "work around", another way to absolve us of that Sin, so He took human form and died for all of us sinners, he paid the debt so to speak, it we believe on Him.

That probably is worded poorly.


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« Reply #32241 on: May 28, 2024, 11:24:53 AM »
I'm going to look for tri tip when I'm out there if they have it near SD.  It seems nearly every day has been planned by others so ...
Honestly, I'd say skip it. More than likely if you're out someplace and see it on a menu, it might be a tri tip sandwich or something like that. Which isn't to say that it won't be "good", but I'm guessing if that's your only tri tip experience you're going to be, as you are typically, "unimpressed". It will likely seem like nothing more than a roast beef sandwich if you do that. And a restaurant that serves it for dinner but isn't going through a lot of tri tip might have it pre-sliced sitting in a warming tray or something that likewise will make it not very good. 

FWIW, I don't order tri tip out at restaurants--unless up in the Santa Maria area. They simply don't do it as well as I can do it at home. 

In San Diego, the thing you should be looking for is Mexican food. 

 

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