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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #31892 on: May 20, 2024, 08:49:21 AM »
When interest rates zoom up, housing prices come down, usually.  That hasn't happened in this cycle.  

"We" all got used to very low inflation rates and interest rates for a decade plus, and now "we" are shocked at 3-4% inflation and 7-8% home loans.

The primary figure I watch is median income trends in the US.  That has been pretty flat of late, which is one reason folks feel pinched.

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« Reply #31893 on: May 20, 2024, 09:09:00 AM »
Housing prices are coming down. The absolute peak of demand ended two years ago.
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« Reply #31894 on: May 20, 2024, 09:14:46 AM »
They may be easing in some locations, but not very much so far, I think.   Part of the reason is lack of inventory.  My realtor tells me it's easing a bit, but folks locked into a 3% loan don't want to move.  

I see a lot of young couples around us most of whom are renting at $3 K a month, and they can afford that, but not a single family, or they just prefer renting.

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« Reply #31895 on: May 20, 2024, 09:23:47 AM »
Yeah I'm at 2.5% and can't even wrap my mind around moving. Would be paying double and a higher rate just to get into the same house

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« Reply #31896 on: May 20, 2024, 09:25:01 AM »
I remember being extremely happy to get 8.5 percent in 1987.
I think that is what mine was in 89
FHA first time home buyer's government loan
Lucky to get it
most other 30 year notes were much higher
I refinanced after 4 or 5 years when rates went down to a 15 year note
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« Reply #31897 on: May 20, 2024, 09:26:16 AM »
Part of the reason is lack of inventory. 
Yep. The high interest rates, 3 years of inflation in most other goods/services, SHOULD have created an affordability problem that brings down prices. 

But so few people are willing to sell, because where will they go? And why sell your 3% mortgage for a 7.5% mortgage? The only people selling these days are the people that have to, and the economy is humming along so most of them don't have to. 

There's plenty of housing demand out there--just not at these prices & interest rates. But even if demand has eased a little, the high persistent prices are due IMHO to a lack of supply. 

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« Reply #31898 on: May 20, 2024, 09:26:51 AM »
$3 K a month will make a house payment

maybe not the house you want, but the house you need

and then you can free yerself from the evil landlord an build equity 
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« Reply #31899 on: May 20, 2024, 09:39:32 AM »
$3 K a month will make a house payment

maybe not the house you want, but the house you need

and then you can free yerself from the evil landlord an build equity
$3K per month is a lot of house in most places, including here.
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« Reply #31900 on: May 20, 2024, 09:49:24 AM »
$3 K a month will make a house payment
Sure, but how much down payment do you need?  How much credit rating do you need?

They have the income to buy a house, but don't, often because they have a lot of debt, and no down payment.

And that $3 K a month obviously includes maintenance and RE taxes etc.  

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« Reply #31901 on: May 20, 2024, 09:51:54 AM »
I've casually looked at how much my HOA covers here, which is kind of like rent, and how much we were paying on our single family in Cincy.  You buy a house, great, but then you have a ton of ancillary expenses vs renting, particularly property tax.

You have a lawn to mow, landscaping to maintain, painting and upkeep, cable bill, internet bill, gas bill, electric bill, ...  

I'm paying over $2 K a month for HOA and property tax here.  

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« Reply #31902 on: May 20, 2024, 09:54:59 AM »
$3 K a month will make a house payment

maybe not the house you want, but the house you need

and then you can free yerself from the evil landlord an build equity
Based on the random rule of thumb I found on the internet (mortgage payment about 28% of your total pay before taxes), you should be earning about $128,571 per year to make that work. 

So a dual income situation for a great many people, I suppose. 

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« Reply #31903 on: May 20, 2024, 09:56:00 AM »
I've casually looked at how much my HOA covers here, which is kind of like rent, and how much we were paying on our single family in Cincy.  You buy a house, great, but then you have a ton of ancillary expenses vs renting, particularly property tax.

You have a lawn to mow, landscaping to maintain, painting and upkeep, cable bill, internet bill, gas bill, electric bill, ... 

I'm paying over $2 K a month for HOA and property tax here. 
< $700/month here. HOA is much more than PT.
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« Reply #31904 on: May 20, 2024, 09:59:21 AM »
These young folks I think mostly have a ton of income, they need it to be allowed to rent at $3 K.  A fair percentage have a young kid, they might move when Kid 2 shows up.

The public schools here are said to be decent, they are predominantly black, which for some white folks is a no no.  


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« Reply #31905 on: May 20, 2024, 09:59:42 AM »
I guess prices must be coming down a little. In my city for a 3/2 SFH, we a couple of months back didn't have a single place available for under a million. Now there are 3 for sale. Yay crash!

 

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