I'll believe in the very first god that provides evidence it exists.
@Volbrigade/oU
@OrangeAfroMan :
LOL. Read through your response. Never heard any of that before...
I've been through all of this so many times, with so many interchangeable secular Whateverists. Some of them quite bright and credentialed -- others, not so much.
I'm not really inclined to do so again.
What I've found is that unless someone is earnestly searching for, seeking after, answers and truth --
then there's no point in engaging.
The vast majority are not. They accept, and are comfortable with, their secular indoctrination. it requires no effort on their part. And it benefits them financially and socially. Why rock the boat?
If someone is satisfied with the idea that the universe just sorta happened, we know not how; that dirt organized itself into the precise alignment of the amino acids to form the precise alignment of proteins to fashion a precision information code for the formation of life, by random and accidental and mindless processes, before there was a living cell to form the code;
and then once formed, that first living cell proceeded to turn into every living thing on one randomly ideal privileged planet -- including the cellular biologist who decided that's how it musta happened -- by processes that haven't been identified;
in a cosmos that is void of Intelligence or Design:
go for, it guv. Have at it. Cheers.
Now. I'm going to tell you something that I'm afraid you're not going to like.
There is probably nothing you know -- or think you do -- on this topic that I don't know already. And have long since rejected as being insufficient and fallacious.
Ergo: you have no information to provide to me.
I have mountains of information to provide to you.
You're not interested in it.
And there's an end to it.
If you really want to carry this, er... discussion forward though, I suggest it take place on Area 51. This is a sports page we're on now (with, I see, a lot of latitude). But I'm a great believer in quarantining topics such as we've embarked on away from the purity and beauty of sports. That's what '51 is for.
I take it you weren't interested in the Lewis material. Not surprising.
You won't be interested in this, either, but I'll offer it anyway. It's an open, non-anonymous debate with a professed atheist that took place on the fb page of my (formerly) local paper. And was published on the website of a prominent neuro-surgeon, which is frequented by some pretty highly credentialed intellectual heavy hitters.
Why not glance over it, and see if there's anything we could talk about that is not touched on here? Or if it provokes any dialogue you want to carry over to '51?
Vaya con Dios.
https://www.cfb51.com/area-51/vbou-vs-prominent-atheist!/