Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

Could have been noticeable? All he had to do was look at it to know it was loaded.

Only a dipshit wouldn't know the difference, and dipshits shouldn't be handed a firearm.



“Guns don’t just go off. The single action Colt .45 revolver handled by Alec Baldwin required multiple active steps to discharge and kill Halyna Hutchins,” Luper said in the statement. “The gun had to be loaded with live ammunition, held and pointed, the hammer of the weapon manually cocked, and the trigger pulled. It was not a magic self-firing weapon.”

The issue isn't whether it was loaded. It was definitely loaded. The issue was a few live rounds were mixed in with the dummy rounds normally used on movie sets. This appears to be completely accidental and their weapons person didn't notice it. It is difficult for me to find some case against Alec Baldwin for shooting what he thought were dummy rounds during a movie. There's been some suggestion that the safety standards were generally lax and Baldwin is responsible for that as a producer of the film. I dunno - that's probably pretty fact intensive. Movies have lots of producers so probably need to draw some line showing that he was responsible for safety on the set instead of just a general "he's the star so he's responsible."

Generally, prosecutors get real creative and aggressive when someone dies so long as the government isn't responsible for it. Has created some weak cases and wrongful convictions over the years. 

The issue isn't whether it was loaded. It was definitely loaded. The issue was a few live rounds were mixed in with the dummy rounds normally used on movie sets. This appears to be completely accidental and their weapons person didn't notice it. It is difficult for me to find some case against Alec Baldwin for shooting what he thought were dummy rounds during a movie. There's been some suggestion that the safety standards were generally lax and Baldwin is responsible for that as a producer of the film. I dunno - that's probably pretty fact intensive. Movies have lots of producers so probably need to draw some line showing that he was responsible for safety on the set instead of just a general "he's the star so he's responsible."

Generally, prosecutors get real creative and aggressive when someone dies so long as the government isn't responsible for it. Has created some weak cases and wrongful convictions over the years.

well, he's not being charged with 1st degree murder he's being charged with manslaughter for being negligent

To put it a different way. Say someone cuts your brake lines without your knowledge, and you drive out, discover you have no brakes, and run over a kid. Are you criminally responsible for negligence because you didn't check to make sure your brakes worked before getting on the road?

yep it would appear the prosecuters are reaching too far on this one unless as Ive said before there is some key info the public doesnt know

Pardon my ignorance, but I apparently know nothing of the movie industry.  I guess my impression has always been that "prop" guns on sets are not capable of firing actual bullets.  I thought they were akin to something like a toy gun, like you'd buy your son, but that looks more convincing on the outside.  A toy, capable of making a little flash at the barrel, if desired. 

Reading through this discussion, it sounds like gun used on tv/movie sets are real guns that get loaded with dummy rounds?  If so, that is.....just.....I don't even know what to say about that. 

Granted, I have no experience with dummy rounds.  I have no idea if they're supposed to be easy to identify or if I should be able to easily tell if the bullets are real or dummies.  I've never used them. 

That still is just asking for trouble.  If I--an owner of a few guns and while pretty limited in knowledge and experience, not completely unfamiliar with firearms--don't know anything about live rounds vs. dummies, I would trust a bunch of anti-gun Hollywood yahoos to know anything about it.  Production companies would know that, you'd think, and would not assume anyone on set knows anything, therefore you use fake toy guns or at least have a prop master who is an expert in firearms, and to boot NO live ammunition is ever allowed anywhere near a set. 

I still can't wrap my head around using real guns for filming.  I guess there's a reason for it, but it's not like it'd be hard to have convincing fake guns that are not capable of firing squat.  

The blanks probably produce a recoil effect like an actual bullet, causing it to look more realistic. 

Just a guess. 

well, if there was EVER a person of privilege...... it might be Alec

seems Jimmy Harbaugh is also lying to the NCAA - he might be cornsidered privileged 

doesn't seem to be working for him, nor a good look to his privileged followers 

hah, they weren't raised by my mother

big trouble