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Topic: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy

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Cincydawg

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9842 on: Today at 11:10:13 AM »
My real point is they claim a billion more GT per year when China generates 12 GT per year. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9843 on: Today at 11:24:48 AM »
You don't believe CO2 is responsible for warming, so how can you consider it a hit piece? Shouldn't you be cheering that CO2 emissions will go up? You are the one who posted it should be higher, 1500 ppm, because that's good for plants. After all don't you predict that US production of oil will go up under Trump? Drill, baby, drill, and all that? It's been one of your constant complaints* about Biden, after all...

(* Misguided because US oil production is at all time highs, but I digress.)
What I argued was mans additional co2 contribution of 120 ppm didnt seem large enough to be the cause of global warming
Never said co2 did not cause warming

but please go back to sleep as this is obviously a sensitive subjuct for you and I really dont want to see you all riled up

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9844 on: Today at 11:43:53 AM »
What I argued was mans additional co2 contribution of 120 ppm didnt seem large enough to be the cause of global warming
Never said co2 did not cause warming

but please go back to sleep as this is obviously a sensitive subjuct for you and I really dont want to see you all riled up
You also posted the youtube of that guy who said that we should be at 1500 ppm CO2. So are you now saying that you don't think it's a good thing if Trump's policies lead to additional CO2 emissions relative to Biden's?

Either way, it's not a hit piece. It's not like they made up anything. It's an analysis of the effects of the policies that candidates state they will implement. Is that not pretty much fair game in political reporting? 

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« Reply #9845 on: Today at 12:55:12 PM »
well, Trump was Pres in 2020 when CO2 emissions went down
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9846 on: Today at 01:01:36 PM »
That is true.   The article claims it would rise more under Trump than Biden which seems plausible. 

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« Reply #9847 on: Today at 01:05:33 PM »
I guess I'd have to read the article but I'm not sure Trump would start building coal plants or shut down wind farms or shut down electric vehicle manufacturing
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9848 on: Today at 01:24:48 PM »
It claims Biden would do more.  

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« Reply #9849 on: Today at 01:28:44 PM »
well, Trump was Pres in 2020 when CO2 emissions went down
Nobody was driving to work and non-essential businesses were closed.
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« Reply #9850 on: Today at 02:52:05 PM »
I guess I'd have to read the article but I'm not sure Trump would start building coal plants or shut down wind farms or shut down electric vehicle manufacturing
It's usually helpful to read an article before forming an opinion on it...


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In the “Biden” scenario in the figure below (blue line), all federal climate policies currently in place or in the process of being finalised are assumed to continue. The scenario does not include any new climate policies that might be adopted after November’s election.

The administration’s current climate policies are expected to cut US emissions significantly, bringing the country close to meeting its 2030 target range. Nevertheless, a gap remains between projected emissions and those needed to meet the 2030 and 2050 targets (green).

The “Trump” scenario (red line) assumes the IRA and other key Biden administration climate policies are rolled back. It does not include further measures that Trump could take to boost fossil fuels or undermine the progress of clean energy.

Basically Trump has pledged to reverse the IRA and other certain policies. Whether he would be successful in doing so if elected is unclear (i.e. if the R team didn't have control of both branches of Congress it would make it difficult), but that seems to be the key differentiator where. 

Elsewhere in the article it actually makes clear that his "Drill, baby, drill" target actually isn't even included in this analysis--probably because it's a slogan and may not actually have any concrete policy metrics already defined, so it can't be definitively analyzed. 

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« Reply #9851 on: Today at 02:55:30 PM »
I thought "Drill, baby, drill" was a pretty solid sophomore album from Andrew Dice Clay.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9852 on: Today at 03:13:55 PM »
It's usually helpful to read an article before forming an opinion on it...
usually

and drilling for oil doesn't contribute much to CO2 emissions

gotta burn baby, burn
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9853 on: Today at 03:20:14 PM »
How much oil is burned is not directly related to how much we produce. 

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« Reply #9854 on: Today at 04:16:55 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9855 on: Today at 04:42:03 PM »
How much oil is burned is not directly related to how much we produce.
Not entirely true...

If we produce a lot more oil, it increases worldwide supply, which should reduce the price of oil. To the extent demand is elastic, lower priced oil will increase consumption. 

Now, obviously there are other factors. If we increase production and OPEC (or someone else) limits production to keep worldwide supply at the same level, then our extra production will likely have little to no effect on consumption. 

 

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