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« Reply #2030 on: Today at 01:21:13 PM »
I believe that anyone with experience in this area over time would realize "Hey, I really can't do any better than anyone else, I may as well just sort of hoof it and do whatever strikes my fancy."  Maybe first timers spend effort looking at returning production etc. and put a lot of thought into it and learn over time it just doesn't help.

It's more guesswork than real analysis, and guesswork is often as good as any "real analysis" because not enough information is possible.  Their name will generate clicks, not their accuracy and predictive abilities, and they know this.

I will agree that newcomers probably put in a ton of effort because they think it matters.

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« Reply #2031 on: Today at 01:29:29 PM »
I believe that anyone with experience in this area over time would realize "Hey, I really can't do any better than anyone else, I may as well just sort of hoof it and do whatever strikes my fancy."  Maybe first timers spend effort looking at returning production etc. and put a lot of thought into it and learn over time it just doesn't help.

It's more guesswork than real analysis, and guesswork is often as good as any "real analysis" because not enough information is possible.  Their name will generate clicks, not their accuracy and predictive abilities, and they know this.

I will agree that newcomers probably put in a ton of effort because they think it matters.
I'm arguing that a veteran like Klatt puts in a lot of effort because he ENJOYS it.

But neither of us really know.

I just think it's sort of weird that folks around here reflexively title anything they disagree with as being "lazy."

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« Reply #2032 on: Today at 01:30:37 PM »
I don't think it's lazy. I do think it's pointless. Especially in the free agency era. 

It might be one thing in the old system to look at teams that maybe did well last year and are low on returning starters, or teams who did poorly last year but were young, and really understand how the teams are likely to do this year with the departures/returnees. You have some young team maybe that finished 6-6 last year but you could see noticeable development through the year and you put them in your top 25 as a "surprise" team. Or you have a team that you think got lucky in a few very close games last year to finish at 10-2, returns their skill players but loses a bunch of big uglies in the trenches, so you fade them and don't include them at all. 

Seems to me now that it's more and more a crapshoot. You have to try to project a bunch of players based on what they did (or didn't) do at their LAST team, coming into a new system, based maybe on a spring game and coachspeak. I have to think in this new era of CFB, getting it right more often than not means getting lucky. 

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« Reply #2033 on: Today at 01:37:26 PM »
I don't think it's lazy. I do think it's pointless. Especially in the free agency era.
Oh yeah I can definitely agree with that.

Many (most?) of us around here have argued that there really shouldn't be any rankings at all until maybe the 5th or 6th week of the season.  And free agency just makes our argument that much more valid.

But of course we all know why the pre-season and early season rankings are published.  Clicks, eyeballs, etc.

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« Reply #2034 on: Today at 01:41:47 PM »
Utah could end up being the best team in the Big 12, but that doesn't mean they are a top 10 team.

I predict Miami, aTm, Nebraska, KSU, Iowa and oSu will not finish in the top 25. 

Of those, Nebraska has the best chance to be there in the end, IMO, due to schedule. It's pretty soft, but the people doing the rankings are always swayed by records. They could easily be 7-0 before heading out to Columbus. I could see 9-3/10-2. But that doesn't mean they will make MY top 25.

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« Reply #2035 on: Today at 01:44:16 PM »
I have a hard time thinking an "expert" really expends a lot of effort on something he knows is:

1.  Pointless.
2.  Going to get clicks regardless.
3.  No one will judge him on it later, so it's not as if there is some major payoff later.
4.  About which there is a ton of information most of which is irrelevant, or will be.

I would probably throw in 2-3 oddballs just to get discussion and seem different.  He MIGHT spend more time pondering how to do that than really on rankings.

Maybe he's delusional and thinks HIS efforts are really going to pay out for him, somehow.


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« Reply #2036 on: Today at 01:47:43 PM »
We don't know what Bama is gonna be, post Saban. I mean, the GOAT. Could be a tough transition for them. Schedule is not a cakewalk by any stretch.

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« Reply #2037 on: Today at 01:49:14 PM »
doesn't take a bunch of effort to maximize clicks

throw Miami and Nebraska on the ranking

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« Reply #2038 on: Today at 01:53:17 PM »
Sure, but the other tactic is to throw in a real outlier, like say Purdue at 20th, with some kind of bogus rationale.  You get non Purdue fans riled up over it.  

In 10 months, nobody remembers or cares.

I truly think any "expert" who spends more than an hour on these things is an idiot, or a pompous know it all who would try and get a prostitute in some west African country and negotiate, or try to, price.

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« Reply #2039 on: Today at 01:54:43 PM »
Let's extend this to stock picks, for example.  Now, there is a topic that is, or could be, extremely important.  So, you have all these investment guys with experience in the field putting out their top picks for the next year, whatever.  Yay.  All the commoner has to do is follow them, right?

Nope.

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« Reply #2040 on: Today at 03:00:47 PM »
College football's 15 toughest schedules in 2024, ranked (247sports.com)
College football's 15 toughest schedules in 2024, ranked (247sports.com)
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« Reply #2041 on: Today at 03:15:24 PM »
lazy list of toughest schedules

 

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