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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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847badgerfan

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« Reply #1414 on: Today at 06:20:00 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 30, 2024, 10:48:49 PM
In my wisdom, I voted for the wrong one.

I'd like to have 6 traditional conferences, trim the fat, and ideally, traditional bowls with an as-needed +1 game.  In lieu of that, I'd like a small playoff.
+1 would be fine I guess.
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« Reply #1415 on: Today at 07:19:08 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 30, 2024, 06:20:56 AM
Don't much care what happened prior to WWII.
Sure ignore Oberlin's 1892 Grid iron squad who were led by John Heisman to their first undefeated season with a perfect 7–0 record, which included wins over Ohio State and Michigan.
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« Reply #1416 on: Today at 09:13:13 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on Today at 06:20:00 AM
+1 would be fine I guess.
+1 would have been great in 94 and 97
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« Reply #1417 on: Today at 09:26:24 AM »
I'd be down for +1.  Let's make it so.
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« Reply #1418 on: Today at 09:32:51 AM »
Screw the +1. Screw the bowl alliance. Screw the BCS. Desiring an "objective" national champion leads us where we are now. A playoff that has to be inclusive enough to give every worthy team a shot, which is too big for our sport.

Embrace the uniqueness of the beauty pageant model. Yeah, it's messy. Yeah, the polls might sometimes get it "wrong". Yeah, some years the polls may disagree and we'll have multiple teams claiming they're the champ. Embrace the MNC. 

So we don't have an "objective" champ. So what? That's college football. Be who we are; don't try to be NFL Lite. 
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« Reply #1419 on: Today at 09:49:35 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on Today at 09:32:51 AM
Screw the +1. Screw the bowl alliance. Screw the BCS. Desiring an "objective" national champion leads us where we are now. A playoff that has to be inclusive enough to give every worthy team a shot, which is too big for our sport.

Embrace the uniqueness of the beauty pageant model. Yeah, it's messy. Yeah, the polls might sometimes get it "wrong". Yeah, some years the polls may disagree and we'll have multiple teams claiming they're the champ. Embrace the MNC.

So we don't have an "objective" champ. So what? That's college football. Be who we are; don't try to be NFL Lite.

I'm cool with that, too.

Although without a +1 or the BCS or the Bowl Alliance, 2006 Rose Bowl never happens and that would make me sad.
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« Reply #1420 on: Today at 09:51:42 AM »
I'm on record as this board having changed my mind about CFB.  

Traditional conferences, regionally aligned.  

Very few bowls, like maybe 10.  No BCS, no playoff, the final poll determines the winner.  Sometimes there will be a split, often there will be arguments.  The little guys will always be feeling left out.  Go back to Div II I say.  

Limit the number of teams, and kick teams out of Div I who can't cut it (Temple, etc). 
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« Reply #1421 on: Today at 09:59:22 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on Today at 09:32:51 AM
Embrace the uniqueness of the beauty pageant model. Yeah, it's messy. Yeah, the polls might sometimes get it "wrong". Yeah, some years the polls may disagree and we'll have multiple teams claiming they're the champ. Embrace the MNC.

So we don't have an "objective" champ. So what? That's college football. Be who we are; don't try to be NFL Lite.

+1 for me isn't about an objective champ

It's about a great matchup in a great game

94 Nebraska vs Penn St. and 97 Nebraska vs Michigan might have been epic
many other great examples

I don't like the playoffs, but they do provide some great games
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« Reply #1422 on: Today at 11:27:06 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on Today at 09:59:22 AM
+1 for me isn't about an objective champ

It's about a great matchup in a great game
For you, maybe that's true. 

But I think for a lot of the CFB world, the whole point about manufacturing a #1 vs #2 matchup was to avoid a situation where #1 and #2, who are both undefeated, both win their bowl games. Then you have the messy bit of trying to figure out which of them is the "real" champ when they never played each other head-to-head and with very few if any games played against common opponents. You gotta "settle it on the field", right?

Once you start going down that rabbit hole, people will keep demanding you expand it if they think a worthy team is excluded, such as 2003 USC, 2004 Auburn, 2011 OkSU, 2014 Baylor/TCU, 2023 FSU, etc. 

I say if you don't want them to take a mile, you'd better not give them that first inch. 
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« Reply #1423 on: Today at 11:28:40 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on Today at 11:27:06 AM
For you, maybe that's true.

But I think for a lot of the CFB world, the whole point about manufacturing a #1 vs #2 matchup was to avoid a situation where #1 and #2, who are both undefeated, both win their bowl games. Then you have the messy bit of trying to figure out which of them is the "real" champ when they never played each other head-to-head and with very few if any games played against common opponents. You gotta "settle it on the field", right?

Once you start going down that rabbit hole, people will keep demanding you expand it if they think a worthy team is excluded, such as 2003 USC, 2004 Auburn, 2011 OkSU, 2014 Baylor/TCU, 2023 FSU, etc.

I say if you don't want them to take a mile, you'd better not give them that first inch.
Clearly, this has been proven true.  And plenty of folks saw it coming.

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« Reply #1424 on: Today at 11:32:51 AM »
No ifs ands or buts. I want the old conferrnces with bowl tie-ins and no playoffs. Yes I am an old curmudgeon.
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« Reply #1425 on: Today at 11:44:32 AM »
And TV should only get very limited slots. Like 20-30 games a week at the most. CFB should be all about being there, and the experience of the game. 
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« Reply #1426 on: Today at 12:02:11 PM »
And the forward pass should be made illegal.  And only leather helmets shall be worn!

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« Reply #1427 on: Today at 12:33:38 PM »
I know every club soccer team is always involved in playing for 6-8 different trophies at any given time, but it's amazing to me that while you have the FA Cup and the Champions league, etc, that EPL and the other domestic leagues still just have a regular season.  That's kind of what college football used to be.  Who cares if it was a game between two 5-3 teams in late October.  You cared.  The national championship has sucked all of the air out of the room.

I always liked the 5-2-1 partially unseeded +2 model with traditional bowl tie ins.  Big Ten vs. Pac 12 in the Rose.  SEC in the Sugar.  ACC in the Orange.  Big XII in the Fiesta.  Then the 2 best at large, and best Group of 5 team.  You seed the 3 champs and 3 "at larges" so the best plays the worst and so on.

Yes, you get #1 Michigan vs. #2 Washington in a Rose Bowl quarterfinal last year, but honestly, I don't care.  I'd rather preserve all of those games.  You play them on New Years Day, you also get that day back.

So last year you would have...


  • FIESTA - #3 Texas vs. #23 Liberty
  • ORANGE - #4 Alabama vs. #7 Ohio State
  • ROSE - #1 Michigan vs. #2 Washington
  • SUGAR - #5 Florida State vs. #6 Georgia

Acknowledging that last year is literally the worst case scenario for it, because the one locked in matchup has #1 vs. #2 and you have the worst best Group of 5 team I can recall

2022 would have been...

  • FIESTA - #4 Ohio State vs. #9 Kansas State
  • ORANGE - #3 TCU vs. #7 Clemson
  • ROSE - #2 Michigan vs. #8 Utah
  • SUGAR - #1 Georgia vs. #16 Tulane
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