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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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utee94

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46984 on: July 16, 2025, 05:39:41 PM »
If the government passes a law that has the ability to go far beyond what a charitable reader of it would say is the goal, I tend to look at it somewhat askew. Especially when it says, “broad constitutional rights have a bed time.”

I think it’s fine and good that a government tries to discourage specific lawless action. When it does so in broad and vague ways that leave a ton of room for overreach, that seems not ideal, especially because it trusts in the goodness of government employees to behave themselves.

Now, such a thing could probably be accomplished with a combination of any-camping rules and noise ordinances (I bet there’s something to deal with large gatherings that doesn’t run afoul of things). Strikes me as less over-broad.

It’s admittedly a little funny to me that we’re returning to the “free-speech zone” era. a bunch of libertarian organizations sued those out of existence, and that really good branding prevented people from understanding that most conservative-leaning folks (outside the hardcore libertarians) were probably in favor them.

Eh, they're free to demonstrate at the Capitol or City Hall as long as they like.

I think that making a distinction for college campuses, in the interest of protecting students and student residents whose rights supersede those of protestors who have ample other avenues to demonstrate, is appropriate.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46985 on: July 16, 2025, 06:10:28 PM »
Eh, they're free to demonstrate at the Capitol or City Hall as long as they like.

I think that making a distinction for college campuses, in the interest of protecting students and student residents whose rights supersede those of protestors who have ample other avenues to demonstrate, is appropriate.
The issue at hand is not about the particular targeting of campuses. 

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46986 on: July 16, 2025, 06:40:51 PM »
Given the extreme destruction and violence of the college campus demonstrations I’m not only have no problem With this, I support it.  
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46987 on: July 16, 2025, 06:53:35 PM »
Each of our rights has limits, the courts decide eventually if some limit has gone too far.

A college can probably attach stricter limits to a thing than a city or state  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #46988 on: July 16, 2025, 11:38:16 PM »
The issue at hand is not about the particular targeting of campuses.
I'm not sure what you're getting at, because in the case of this bill, the issue at hand is precisely the protection of campuses versus other publicly owned spaces.


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I'm not sure what you're getting at, because in the case of this bill, the issue at hand is precisely the protection of campuses versus other publicly owned spaces.


I'm getting at the fact that the text of this law prohibits all expressive acts, expressly defined as anything the first amendment and Texas constitution protects, for more than 2/5s of the day.

The first amendment protects a hell of a lot more than protests. The state constitution's article says "Every person shall be at liberty to speak, write or publish his opinions on any subject, being responsible for the abuse of that privilege." So on Texas campuses, every person being able to "speak, write or publish," their opinions is prohibited.

"This law is actually fine" is an opinion. "The school president sucks" is too. It means on Red River Rivalry day, by the letter of the law, at 7:30 a.m I can't yell "Brent Venables looks like skeletor" on Texas' campus, nor can I put it on a sign and wave that around. That's all protected speech, and apparently prohibited.

Now, I understand that the government will not enforce this law, save for when it wants to for whatever reason it wants to. But I have enough libertarian streak in me to not want to give the government broad leeway to not only suspend constitutional rights but prohibit their exercise. Plenty of overreach has been, can and will be cloaked in "well we're doing a good thing." If you're gonna work toward a good thing, best to narrowly target the problems, with as little ground given to the government to run roughshod over liberties. That's what I'm getting at.


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Free speech already has obvious legal limits, this would just be one more.  Some court would decide if it's OK or not, if it passes.


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Meh.  it’s like speed limits. You’re allowed to drive your car, but there are rules involved that take into account other people in property.   This is no different.

The people that object with claim it’s on the grounds of first amendment rights, but what they really mean is they want the right to have violence and destruction in their protest   
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plenty of good laws on the books
no need for another one with time limits
enforce the laws, punish the bad actors
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