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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Cincydawg

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I think a deal of some sort if possible.  Israel might reach the point they are about out of ordnance and figure they've done all they can do.

Iran might reach the point of knowing they can't retaliate much any more and quite fighting also.  

Then it comes to enrichment debates and monitoring.  We could end up with another Obama-like agreement.

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I would agree a lot of white folks will claim to have a "black friend" as evidence they aren't racist.  They may also claim other things in their lives mean they aren't racist, which often means that such focus on "proving" you aren't something suggests something else.

But, listing simple facts that are indeed facts don't indicate some point of view, it's simply factual information.  Do I think Israel currently is some "admirable democracy" with "clean hands"?  No, I don't, personally.  Am I against "Jews" as a group?  Nope.  Arabs as a group?  Nope.    Muslims?  Nope. 

I'm only really against Illinois Nazis.  They are the worst.
Someone might claim that they have a black friend in self defense, after being called a "racist" for the crime of disagreeing with a White liberal on the internet. Then they are promptly informed by the "White liberal on the internet" that saying that they have a black friend is ultimate sign of racism. 

In reality if you were to attend a gathering of actual "Illinois Nazis," I doubt very much that you'd hear them trading stories about the hilarious antics of their black friend Tyrone. 


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I would agree a lot of white folks will claim to have a "black friend" as evidence they aren't racist.  They may also claim other things in their lives mean they aren't racist, which often means that such focus on "proving" you aren't something suggests something else.

But, listing simple facts that are indeed facts don't indicate some point of view, it's simply factual information.  Do I think Israel currently is some "admirable democracy" with "clean hands"?  No, I don't, personally.  Am I against "Jews" as a group?  Nope.  Arabs as a group?  Nope.    Muslims?  Nope. 

I'm only really against Illinois Nazis.  They are the worst.
Well, shit.
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I'm surprised it's that high a %.

The Australia folks --- that's funny.


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Eh, we owe the vast majority of that debt to ourselves.  So we're in both the debt-having AND debt-buying business... and business is good!

I'm partially kidding, I don't really support the level of debt the US has, but I also don't see some imminent catastrophe.   But I'd still like to see the debt lowered, and a good start would be to balance the budget and stop deficit spending.

There's really only one way to do that, and no politician wants to vote for it.

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the only person that can broker a deal between Israel & Iran is Trump

Trump would have to tell Netanyahu to ease up - probably won't happen
unfortunately I believe you are correct on the underlined part. 

truth of the matter is Trump is compromised on this issue, like just about every other politician in DC. Sheldon Adelson and his Israeli wife have given Trump somewhere in the neighborhood of $500 to $600 million to fund his political campaigns since Trump got into politics in 2016. This is an absolutely obscene amount of money for one single donor to give- and politics is basically a scratch my back I'll scratch yours dirty ass game. The Adelson's didn't donate that money for nothing. 

And I mean god damn for christ sake Trump's ambassador to Israel is Mike Huckabee- a biblenut jesus freak who says Palestinians aren't a real people- and who actually wants all the Jews of the world to return to Palestine so the world can end and jesus can come and bring his goofy ass to heaven. Just look at that completely insane unhinged text Huckabee sent Trump and Trump actually posted on twitter. That was just a surreal what in the actual fuck am I reading moment.....

Add ontop of all of this the Israeli lobby is probably the single most powerful lobby in DC- they wield enormous power and buy up politicians on both sides of the aisle- not just Republican shitstains like Tel Aviv Ted Cruz (still absolutely insane to me the guy actually said on camera in an interview said his main goal coming into the Senate was to be the strongest supporter of Israel in the Senate and that he supports Israel unconditionally because: the Bible). 

People talk like only Iran has crazy religious nutjobs in powerful positions in their government making consequential decisions....newsflash: we do to. Anybody remember George W. Bush saying "God told him to invade Iraq".....The republican party is and always has been filled with religious fundamentalist lunatics like Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz. They were sitting in the corner for awhile- but they are making their comeback with a vengeance. Unfortunately.

My feeling on this is Trump being the egotistical maniac that he is got absolutely steam rolled by that scumbag Israeli Prime Minister who is a literal evil genius- and has went off the deep on his twitter rants saying Iran has to surrender within 24 hours or else and is pretending like he was in on the gag and knew about it all along to save face because he doesn't want to look like a bitch who got punk'd by someone infinitely more cunning and sleazy than Trump. 

Trump is NYC real estate cunning and sleazy. The man might be a dirtbag but he actually has a heart. Israel's Prime Minister on the other hand is the garden variety homicidal maniac cunning and sleazy- whose soul is a dark black non-existent pit. Second one is much dangerous. Obviously.

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I don't foresee any imminent demise of our economy, but I do think it's coming.  The thing is, I've thought it was coming since about 2001.  So, it could well be 2050 or more.  My goal would be to start seeing a drop in debt: GDP ratio to  get it back under 1, but even that is .... unlikely.

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I don't foresee any imminent demise of our economy, but I do think it's coming.  The thing is, I've thought it was coming since about 2001.  So, it could well be 2050 or more.  My goal would be to start seeing a drop in debt: GDP ratio to  get it back under 1, but even that is .... unlikely.
yeah well that's the thing- almost no one sees the collapse coming- it just comes. only a very small handful of people saw it coming in 2007.

The US Empire is the worlds greatest super-power and has been since the close of WW2- but there is no denying we are in decline while others (mainly China) are on the rise. And we are no longer living in a unipolar world where the US was the only world power after the collapse of the Soviet Union. We are in a multipolar age- where China has a real say in things now and Russia to a lesser extent as well. US has to learn how to get along with the rest of the world and has to come to grips with the fact that we are no longer the lone king shit and whatever we say goes. Sooner that happens the better it will be for this country and the rest of the world at large.

We won't be the worlds heavy hitter forever and this country may not even exist forever. At some point it could fall- like every empire before it has. Majorian reformed & restrengthened the Western Roman Empire and in 461 before he died it was humming along in better shape than it had been in decades- and then just 15 years later.....poof. My guess is people living at the time didn't think that it would collapse so suddenly- but it did. Ditto people of the Soviet Union in the late 80s.

And I am afraid as hell and truly believe that any US ground invasion into Iran and trying to overthrow that regime and occupy that country could trigger the rapid decline of the US faster than any of us could ever imagine. You're talking adding countless trillions to an unsustainable debt and probably tens of thousands of American lives lost trying to pull something like that off. If anyone here remembers- Bush & Cheney desperately wanted to invade Iran in 2007 and Pentagon and intelligence agencies told them- yeah we can't do this we'll assuredly lose and we do not have escalation dominance. Cheney was pushing hard for it- and the Pentagon and CIA talked Bush out of it. We know a lot of this because of people involved- one of which was former CIA director and head of NSA General Michael Hayden have spoken openly about it.

Bush‘s administration concluded that a military strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities would be a bad idea — and would only make it harder to prevent Iran from going nuclear in the future, former CIA and National Security Agency (NSA) chief Gen. Michael Hayden said Thursday."When we talked about this in the government, the consensus was that [attacking Iran] would guarantee that which we are trying to prevent -- an Iran that will spare nothing to build a nuclear weapon and that would build it in secret"

If they couldn't pull off ground invasion or even air strikes in 2007 with large forces already deployed in huge US military bases in occupied Afghanistan and Iraq (Iran's next door neighbors) and only $9 trillion in debt- zero shot they could do it today vs what would be a much tougher opponent today as compared to 2007- and with no bases right next door on either side and $37 trillion in debt- and with an incredibly even more hollowed out US manufacturing and industrial base as compared to 2007- and with US weapons stockpiles and reserves depleted thanks to Oprah Winfrey style give aways (YOU GET A BOMB, AND YOU GET A BOMB, AND YOU GET A BOMB!) to Ukraine for the last 3+ years and to Israel for the last 2 years. Would be an absolute unmitigated disaster that would trigger a collapse.

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I think the only US military response under serious consideration is a B2 strike on Fordow, in and out.  

Nobody would be dumb enough to launch a ground invasion.

I hope.

 

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