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OrangeAfroMan

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« Reply #4508 on: April 07, 2021, 11:04:42 AM »
I apologize for the slanted language of "big food" and "lobbying" as those are invented fantasies of the far left agenda. 
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« Reply #4509 on: April 07, 2021, 11:05:38 AM »
Swine flu was actually a lot deadlier from what I recall. Just not as easily transmissible. There's a difference.

COVID is actually all things considered- not that deadly. It is however contagious like a motherfker.
this was mdot's post that may have been missed on the previous page.
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« Reply #4510 on: April 07, 2021, 11:05:48 AM »
According to the Supreme Court when it comes to campaign donations, corporations are people, so differentiating them is unnecessary, right?  Anyway, getting past that sour grape, here's a thing:

Since the 1970s, Big Food has colonized the school cafeteria. From signing lucrative food service contracts to promoting their corporate brands and dishing out chicken nuggets and other mass-produced, heat-and-serve items, the food industry has done quite well for itself by selling goods and services to schools across the United States, including the 95% of public schools that participate in the government-subsidized National School Lunch Program (NSLP). 

In recent years, Big Food companies — and their industry associations — have spent millions of dollars lobbying the federal government to weaken or change its nutritional standards, and these efforts have paid off handsomely. It happened in 2014, when the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) caved to industry pressure and made it easier for schools to serve French fries and pizza. It happened in 2018, when the USDA loosened restrictions on the amount of sodium, flavored milk, and refined grains that could be served in school meals. And it is happening again with the Trump administration’s latest proposal to make the rules more “flexible” (as Thompson, 2020, recently described in these pages).
the egg lobby is not amused 
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« Reply #4511 on: April 07, 2021, 11:06:16 AM »
this was mdot's post that may have been missed on the previous page.
thanks for that
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« Reply #4512 on: April 07, 2021, 11:07:15 AM »
The mortality rate of H1N1--while highly infectious--was miniscule. They estimate there were 60M cases in the US, and only 12-13K deaths. It was significantly less fatal than the flu, which is why all the concern and media uproar died down so quickly.

COVID-19 was highly infectious and significantly higher mortality than the flu, which coupled with the fact that it was novel, meant that the impact would be orders of magnitude higher. We didn't have solid numbers (still don't), but much of the estimates are somewhere between 0.5% and 1% mortality, probably on the lower end of that range. That means it's ~5x higher mortality than seasonal flu, we didn't have a vaccine for it, and we had no natural immunity. That's a bad combination...

H1N1 never would have resulted in the lockdowns, because H1N1 was a completely different beast. As for difference in media attention? I'll readily admit that the media made this about Trump and his response; ever since he announced his candidacy, everything in the United States has been about Trump. But the entire media effort would have fizzled out in a month if this thing was anything like H1N1.
Looking into it further, I can give Trump some credit on this. Apparently the big contracts where the gov't agreed in advance to buy millions of doses of the vaccines if they were successful appear to be an executive branch action.

Not to say another President or administration wouldn't have done the same, but I'll call a spade a spade on this one. Kudos to him and his administration for doing it.
Well I was wrong! Lol. Thanks for clearing that up.

I still feel like corona was the most overblown thing of all-time. I'd hate to see what happens to us when something actually species threatening happens.

And the media sucks. They went after Trump 24/7, all while fellating Andrew Cuomo 24/7. Turns out Governor Nipple Rings wasn't all they cracked him out to be.

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« Reply #4513 on: April 07, 2021, 11:13:41 AM »
Nah. Every journalist is impartial.
Absolutely. Did you catch that hit piece 60 Minutes tried to run on Governor DeSantis? Blew up in their freaking faces. Both the Democratic Mayor of Palm Beach County and the head of the Florida Division of Emergency Management- another Democrat- publicly bashed 60 Minutes and said the entire story was complete bullshit- their actual words- not mine. And then the entire video of DeSantis' press conference just came out- and showed 60 Minutes edited the FK out of the video and completely distorted DeSantis' response. It was such an egregious attempt at misinformation- that reporter who works for CBS and the editor on that story should both be fired- and CBS should be fined heavily by the FCC.

At the very beginning of the entire crisis- media tried to make DeSantis out to be the worst governor in the country handling the crisis while fellating Nipple Rings Sex Predator Cuomo and Michelin French Laundry Douche Newsome out to be heroes. Whoops. Turns out DeSantis has done a way better job than either of those corrupt pieces of shits in NY and CA. When that failed- they just tried to run a hit piece on him that blew up in their faces- and now the guy is more popular in Florida and across the country than ever. LOL.

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« Reply #4514 on: April 07, 2021, 11:14:04 AM »
"School choice" as it's been labeled, is about one thing and one thing only - white flight. 

How is a school/district supposed to improve when their best/most concerned students/families leave? 


I'm also afraid teacher's unions are an antiquated boogeyman, too.  Over half the states are 'right to work' and don't have bloated, draconian teacher unions.  And it's hard for parents to have a voice in their local school if they're busy choosing another school.  I'm not even sure how we got to this, as I - a teacher - am advocating for better food for students. 
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A school in a poor neighborhood isn't going to have parents advocating for quality school food because they're not providing quality food at home.  Because they're poor. 
Dude... White flight already happened. They moved out to the 'burbs where property values are higher and school systems are better. 

School systems in the poor neighborhoods suck. In many of them, per-student funding is quite healthy (albeit spent on the wrong things, i.e. bloated administrations). How are we supposed to solve the problem of those school districts? Throw more money at it? 

We need reform, and it's not going to happen when the "customers" are legally required to go to school, and cannot afford to go to private schools or move out of the poor neighborhoods, so they're captives to the system. 

I'm probably not going to make you a school choice believer... I'm fine with that.

What's your solution?

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« Reply #4515 on: April 07, 2021, 11:16:20 AM »
Swine flu was actually a lot deadlier from what I recall. Just not as easily transmissible. There's a difference.

COVID is actually all things considered- not that deadly. It is however contagious like a motherfker.
I see you responded already, but I think you're confusing swine flu (H1N1) with other things. 

I believe the original SARS was more deadly, but not as transmissible. The same is true with MERS, I believe, but I'm less familiar with that one. 

But H1N1 was both highly transmissible and relatively benign, which is why it didn't merit responses anywhere near COVID, which is highly transmissible and significantly more deadly than the flu. 

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« Reply #4516 on: April 07, 2021, 11:16:41 AM »
That's why I want to cancel as many administrators as possible. It's bloated.

In Chicago, there are 32K teachers and 6K administrators. Average teacher pay is around $70K and the average (do nothing) admin is payed around $150K.

That's $900 Million on administrators and $2.2 Billion on teachers.

There are 350K students.
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« Reply #4517 on: April 07, 2021, 11:17:19 AM »
So... education reform. Where to start?

Abolishing the Federal Department of Education would be a place to start. It's a useless entity and a waste of money.

Next, work on curricula.

No more teacher unions. Reduce administrative staff. Consolidate school districts.

All of that will increase the amount of money that goes to students, and to teachers.


As of July 1, 2018, there were 852 public school districts: 368 elementary districts, 97 high school districts, 386 unit districts, and one Illinois Department of Juvenile Justice district.


This is a ridiculous number of tax-funded entities. Many of these school districts have only ONE school!!

Florida has 75 school districs.


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« Reply #4518 on: April 07, 2021, 11:19:41 AM »
Absolutely. Did you catch that hit piece 60 Minutes tried to run on Governor DeSantis? Blew up in their freaking faces. Both the Democratic Mayor of Palm Beach County and the head of the Florida Division of Emergency Management- another Democrat- publicly bashed 60 Minutes and said the entire story was complete bullshit- their actual words- not mine. And then the entire video of DeSantis' press conference just came out- and showed 60 Minutes edited the FK out of the video and completely distorted DeSantis' response. It was such an egregious attempt at misinformation- that reporter who works for CBS and the editor on that story should both be fired- and CBS should be fined heavily by the FCC.

At the very beginning of the entire crisis- media tried to make DeSantis out to be the worst governor in the country handling the crisis while fellating Nipple Rings Sex Predator Cuomo and Michelin French Laundry Douche Newsome out to be heroes. Whoops. Turns out DeSantis has done a way better job than either of those corrupt pieces of shits in NY and CA. When that failed- they just tried to run a hit piece on him that blew up in their faces- and now the guy is more popular in Florida and across the country than ever. LOL.
Yes.  I saw that entire thing. Completely made up.  And they got caught. 

don’t forget the media love for Governor Witless in Michigan, now the US epicenter for covid 19.
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« Reply #4519 on: April 07, 2021, 11:21:56 AM »
I personally don't see how COVID was overblown at all.  I see that some of the steps taken were inefficient and ineffective, but a year ago we knew little about the disease and its transmission.

Half a million additional deaths when we would normally have had 2.9 million TOTAL is a huge increase.

It hit Europe hard also, and Brazil and a few other places, not as much Africa though the data there may be suspect.  (Is).

I hear some folks who once said everything was being done properly now claiming it wasn't, but I take that as political pandering.

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« Reply #4520 on: April 07, 2021, 11:22:48 AM »
I see you responded already, but I think you're confusing swine flu (H1N1) with other things.

I believe the original SARS was more deadly, but not as transmissible. The same is true with MERS, I believe, but I'm less familiar with that one.

But H1N1 was both highly transmissible and relatively benign, which is why it didn't merit responses anywhere near COVID, which is highly transmissible and significantly more deadly than the flu.
yeah, i didn't read through all the pages I missed been busy, but then I read your other post on the next page and cleared that up. that's the thing with this board- learn shit all the time. 

COVID is worse than the flu- but it was being billed as something that was going to kill us all. Turns out- it's not really that dangerous. It's far more dangerous for the elderly and the obese. I believe that the CDC reported 50+% of all COVID deaths were from nursing homes- most of these people are on deaths doorstep as is- and 78% of all COVID hospitalizations in the US were obese people. 

Want to fix health in the US? A great start would be rethinking our entire food system. Getting rid of soda and getting rid of fast food. Will that ever happen? No. But it would help a lot. We have the fattest population in the world and the most garbage food in the world. You don't see too many absolute cows in Europe. Italians drink olive oil by the gallon and French people eat 10 sticks of butter a day and they aren't obese- and oh yeah their food shits all over our food. Makes you think.

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« Reply #4521 on: April 07, 2021, 11:25:47 AM »
Yes.  I saw that entire thing. Completely made up.  And they got caught. 

don’t forget the media love for Governor Witless in Michigan, now the US epicenter for covid 19.
Michigan is dying because of her. I still have a lot of family and friends there- some have moved south or west and the ones that are still there absolutely hate her. 

 

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