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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44870 on: May 21, 2025, 02:02:32 PM »
Another politically charged vaccine discussion, this time on our good friend, the COVID vaccine.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb2506929#f1


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An Evidence-Based Approach to Covid-19 Vaccination
Authors: Vinay Prasad, M.D., M.P.H., and Martin A. Makary, M.D., M.P.H.Author Info & Affiliations
Published May 20, 2025
Over the past 5 years, the United States has moved toward an annual Covid-19 booster program. Each fall, Covid-19 booster shots are developed, alongside seasonal influenza vaccines, and are recommended for every American. As compared with vaccination policies in all European nations, the U.S. policy has been the most aggressive (see Figure 1).

1 While all other high-income nations confine vaccine recommendations to older adults (typically those older than 65 years of age), or those at high risk for severe Covid-19, the United States has adopted a one-size-fits-all regulatory framework and has granted broad marketing authorization to all Americans over the age of 6 months.

1 The U.S. policy has sometimes been justified by arguing that the American people are not sophisticated enough to understand age- and risk-based recommendations.
2 We reject this view.
Although the rapid development of multiple Covid-19 vaccines in 2020 represents a major scientific, medical, and regulatory accomplishment,
3 the benefit of repeat dosing — particularly among low-risk persons who may have previously received multiple doses of Covid-19 vaccines, had multiple Covid-19 infections, or both — is uncertain. The American people, along with many health care providers, remain unconvinced.

Over the past two seasons, uptake of the annual Covid-19 booster has been poor, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Less than 25% of Americans received boosters each year, ranging from less than 10% of children younger than 12 years of age in the 2024–2025 season to 50% of adults over 75 years old.4 Even health care workers remain hesitant, with less than one third participating in the 2023–2024 fall booster program.5 There may even be a ripple effect: public trust in vaccination in general has declined,6 resulting in a reluctance to vaccinate that is affecting even vital immunization programs such as that for measles–mumps–rubella (MMR) vaccination, which has been clearly established as safe and highly effective. In recent years, reduced MMR vaccination rates have been a growing concern and have contributed to serious illness and deaths from measles. Against this context, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) seeks to provide guidance and foster evidence generation.

Moving forward, the FDA will adopt the following Covid-19 vaccination regulatory framework: On the basis of immunogenicity — proof that a vaccine can generate antibody titers in people — the FDA anticipates that it will be able to make favorable benefit–risk findings for adults over the age of 65 years and for all persons above the age of 6 months with one or more risk factors that put them at high risk for severe Covid-19 outcomes, as described by the CDC (Figure 2). For all healthy persons — those with no risk factors for severe Covid-19 — between the ages of 6 months and 64 years, the FDA anticipates the need for randomized, controlled trial data evaluating clinical outcomes before Biologics License Applications can be granted. Insofar as possible, when approving a Covid-19 vaccine for high-risk groups, the FDA will encourage manufacturers to conduct randomized, controlled trials in the population of healthy adults as part of their postmarketing commitment.

And here's the table for how other developed, high income countries are recommending the COVID vaccine.




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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44871 on: May 21, 2025, 02:07:07 PM »
ThE SCieNcE ZOMG tHe sCiENcE!!!


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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44872 on: May 21, 2025, 02:12:06 PM »
ThE SCieNcE ZOMG tHe sCiENcE!!!
Without trying to sounding like an idiot (cue the A&M fan references) what is the point of the sentences with some capital letters and some lower case?  I've seen it done here and there and I never know how to take it?  Are the small/big letters supposed to spell something out, because I've never been able to look at it and  understand.  Or is it just supposed to be wise ass or something?  

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44873 on: May 21, 2025, 02:19:07 PM »
Without trying to sounding like an idiot (cue the A&M fan references) what is the point of the sentences with some capital letters and some lower case?  I've seen it done here and there and I never know how to take it?  Are the small/big letters supposed to spell something out, because I've never been able to look at it and  understand.  Or is it just supposed to be wise ass or something? 
Heh, it's just a wise-ass thing.  It's supposed to indicate a mocking tone.  I'm not sure how it became an internet/social media thing but there we have it.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44874 on: May 21, 2025, 02:24:20 PM »
Heh, it's just a wise-ass thing.  It's supposed to indicate a mocking tone.  I'm not sure how it became an internet/social media thing but there we have it.

More for @Gigem
I believe it originally referenced internet users who were characterized as young, zealous, and in too much of a hurry to adequately understand things or get the spelling/capitalization correct.  There was a lot of truth to it back then.  A typical example of a real typing error was the "z" in front of "OMG," thus "zOMG!!!!" (no idea why, I'm a pretty good typist and that doesn't seem to be a likely error, but whatevs)(lots of exclamation points were a thing too).  It happened enough that people intentionally started parodying/mocking it, and at this point it's kind of it's own thing to indicate erratic excitement, possibly mixed in with some naivete/cluelessness.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44875 on: May 21, 2025, 02:44:34 PM »
I mean, I feel like you've eliminated pretty much every style of visualization tool.  What IS acceptable to you?

Bar charts, scatterplots, line charts, boxplots, and bullet graphs.  Grouped bar charts can be useful too, but they could be considered a subset of the regular bar charts.  Stacked bar charts.....I don't like 'em, but begrudgingly I admit they have their uses....sometimes they're the best way to show what you wanna show all in one place.  I give them a hard time because the creators usually don't make it clear which type they're showing....are separate values stacked all on top of each other?  Or are they meant to represent "one in front of the other" where all the bars are meant to go to the bottom and you just see the tops of the each successive taller bar?  Either way, the psychological principles that allow for quick, useful interpretation get more bogged down with that one more than the others I listed.  It's also why the others I previously listed are conventionally blacklisted in the data-snob world.  The brain doesn't process the info nearly as fast or as well, and they tend to bog the viewer down, or offer less clarity.  Of course, even with the right kind of chart, there are other considerations as well to make sure someone can quickly glance at a graphic and get the most out of it.  In general, if you find yourself looking at a graph for several seconds trying to interpret what it's telling you, likely some best practices are being violated and the brain is working harder behind the scenes than it should have to.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44876 on: May 21, 2025, 03:15:31 PM »
I think the new recommendations for COVID vaccines make sense.  There was a time when it may have seemed like vaccinating everyone was the way to go.  I can understand that, wipe it out etc.  That didn't happen, but it does seem to have gotten much milder in general.  I don't see ANY steps now being taken to try and control it unusually.  I think Singapore had us fill out a card saying we had been vaccinated, but nobody checked anything.

They had some kind of goofy thing we had to complete.  We could have lied on every line.

India was really a pain for getting in and out, everyone thought, and complained about it.

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44877 on: May 21, 2025, 04:57:21 PM »
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44878 on: May 21, 2025, 05:03:35 PM »
Heh, it's just a wise-ass thing.  It's supposed to indicate a mocking tone.  I'm not sure how it became an internet/social media thing but there we have it.
Ha.  You do play the wise-ass well!
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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44880 on: May 22, 2025, 09:41:13 AM »
OMAHA (DTN) -- Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins visited Nebraska on Monday where she laid out the Trump administration's "Farmers First" policies to help smaller farmers with a set of policy initiatives Rollins said she intends to lead at USDA.

Rollins visited a major corn processing plant, a pork processing facility and an independent farm as she laid out some policies to help USDA provide more customer service for small farmers.

Rollins on Monday also signed a waiver making Nebraska the first state that will be allowed to ban sugary drinks such as soda under the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).

Rollins also talked about agricultural labor and using USDA resources to restrict solar operations on productive farm ground.


https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/ag/news/business-inputs/article/2025/05/20/usdas-rollins-champions-small-farmer
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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #44881 on: May 22, 2025, 01:37:00 PM »
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Treasury is phasing out production of the penny and will soon stop putting new one-cent coins into circulation, the department said in a statement Thursday.

The news of the decision was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.


A Treasury spokesperson said the government made its final order of penny blanks this month, and the United States Mint will continue to manufacture pennies only as long as an inventory of penny blanks exists. Consumers with pennies will still be able to use them for purchases. But without new pennies moving into circulation, businesses that complete cash transactions will have to start rounding up or down to the nearest nickel.

The move is not a surprise. The production of a penny costs more than the value of the coin. President Donald Trump said in February that he ordered the U.S. Mint to stop making pennies, citing the cost.

“For far too long the United States has minted pennies which literally cost us more than 2 cents. This is so wasteful! I have instructed my Secretary of the US Treasury to stop producing new pennies. Let’s rip the waste out of our great nation's budget, even if it’s a penny at a time,” Trump said in a post to social media as he returned to Washington from the Super Bowl in February.

Trump actually undersold the cost argument — pennies cost more than three cents each to produce.

But the cost of a penny might be a smaller problem than the alternative. That’s because the Mint actually loses even more money on each nickel it produces. Each nickel costs 13.8 cents, with 11 cents of production costs and 2.8 cents of administrative and distribution costs. These figures are for the government’s most recent fiscal year, which ended in September.
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« Reply #44882 on: May 22, 2025, 01:48:31 PM »
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Treasury is phasing out production of the penny and will soon stop putting new one-cent coins into circulation, the department said in a statement Thursday.

The news of the decision was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.


A Treasury spokesperson said the government made its final order of penny blanks this month, and the United States Mint will continue to manufacture pennies only as long as an inventory of penny blanks exists. Consumers with pennies will still be able to use them for purchases. But without new pennies moving into circulation, businesses that complete cash transactions will have to start rounding up or down to the nearest nickel.

The move is not a surprise. The production of a penny costs more than the value of the coin. President Donald Trump said in February that he ordered the U.S. Mint to stop making pennies, citing the cost.

“For far too long the United States has minted pennies which literally cost us more than 2 cents. This is so wasteful! I have instructed my Secretary of the US Treasury to stop producing new pennies. Let’s rip the waste out of our great nation's budget, even if it’s a penny at a time,” Trump said in a post to social media as he returned to Washington from the Super Bowl in February.

Trump actually undersold the cost argument — pennies cost more than three cents each to produce.

But the cost of a penny might be a smaller problem than the alternative. That’s because the Mint actually loses even more money on each nickel it produces. Each nickel costs 13.8 cents, with 11 cents of production costs and 2.8 cents of administrative and distribution costs. These figures are for the government’s most recent fiscal year, which ended in September.
Make pennies worth 5 cents, and get rid of nickels.  Probably need a few committees to review that first, and big coin will kill it

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Re: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes
« Reply #44883 on: May 22, 2025, 01:51:26 PM »
Make pennies worth 5 cents, and get rid of nickels.  Probably need a few committees to review that first, and big coin will kill it
All those hoarder folks with giant jars of pennies will quintuple their fortunes!!!

 

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