header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

 (Read 3017218 times)

SFBadger96

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 1849
  • Liked:
I was thinking about this.

Rather than litigate a malpractice case, how about guilt or malpractice be settled by a tribunal of blind peers? In other words, they don't know who the doctor is - they are simply presented with the facts of the patient and the doctor's OR report.

Let them decide if mistakes were made. Then, when settled, arbiters step in and negotiate a reasonable settlement.

No courtroom, no juries, no expert witnesses.
This sounds like a really good idea, but self-regulated industries are notoriously bad at holding their own members accountable for bad actions. Seriously, in principal I like it, but in practice many people responsible for malpractice would get away with it. There's very little incentive for doctors to find malpractice--at the most basic level, it would increase their insurance rates. We see this problem in the legal community, which effectively regulates itself (most of the time).

Medina, if every government action regulating a market leads necessarily to communism, then every executive order leads to facism. Neither is true. But responding to criticism of our current medical system--which you just pointed out is a giant cluster--by accusing someone of advocating for communism and mass death is a bit much.

FYI, Pol Pot comes in a respectable 7th for worst mass murderes in the last 150 years. Mao, Hitler, the often forgotten King Leopold II (Belgium), Stalin, Tojo, and also forgotten Enver (of Turkey) were all responsible for more non-combat-related deaths. Hitler, Leopold II, Tojo, and Enver were not communists or socialists. Hitler was a facsist, and an enemy of socialism (and communism). Indeed, the USSR/Stalin saw England and Germany as the two biggest enemies of communism. Enver joined the side of the Whites--who fought against the Bolsheviks in the Russian civil war.

SFBadger96

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 1849
  • Liked:
As an aside, Stalin saw socialism as perhaps as big an enemy of communism as capitalism. He was deeply concerned that socialists would dilute the appeal of communism, and the purge (1936-38) was largely directed at alleged socialists--as well as Trotskyites, who were really communists, but Stalin didn't like Trotsky's challenge to his view of the proper version of communism. Side side note: Stalin was a bad guy. In case any of you forgot.

Also, socialized medicine, practiced in Japan, Canada, all of western Europe, etc., is hardly the camel's nose of communism (or even socialism, as CD has been referring to) creeping under the tent. That doesn't mean it's right for the US, just that I think the Brits and Canucks would laugh at the idea that they are teetering on a Mao-ist or Stalin-ist type dictatorship because of their health care systems.

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 83004
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
I know you say Stalin was a bad guy, but at least he was from Georgia.



utee94

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 22280
  • Liked:
As an aside, Stalin saw socialism as perhaps as big an enemy of communism as capitalism. He was deeply concerned that socialists would dilute the appeal of communism, and the purge (1936-38) was largely directed at alleged socialists--as well as Trotskyites, who were really communists, but Stalin didn't like Trotsky's challenge to his view of the proper version of communism. Side side note: Stalin was a bad guy. In case any of you forgot.

Also, socialized medicine, practiced in Japan, Canada, all of western Europe, etc., is hardly the camel's nose of communism (or even socialism, as CD has been referring to) creeping under the tent. That doesn't mean it's right for the US, just that I think the Brits and Canucks would laugh at the idea that they are teetering on a Mao-ist or Stalin-ist type dictatorship because of their health care systems.

I don't think we need to worry about Maoism or Stalinism if the US were to adopt the Canadian or British forms of socialized medicine.  It's bad enough just to consider being saddled with the Canadian or British healthcare systems.

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 83004
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
My impression is that the French system is "OK" for France.  They want to keep it despite some issues.  Would it work here?  Maybe.  Hard to transition.

I think the primary reason we don't have it is the way our income taxes were structured back in the day.

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 31193
  • Liked:
A new Pope.

Originally from Chicago.

Wow.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 31193
  • Liked:
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 83004
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
I think most of us are not Catholic, but I do wonder if this new Pope means anything will change for Catholics.

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 31193
  • Liked:
I was raised Catholic and Confirmed. Married Catholic and divorced.

Same for my wife now, of over 28 years.

I'm not so sure I would require an annulment, as I was not confirmed until after my divorce. So...

We looked into annulments. She did not want to make her boys bastards, was one thing, but not a big thing. The others were the "donation" required and the fact that we were to write essays on our prior marriages, and all the details of same. There were a lot of hoops to jump through.

Nope.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 83004
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
My wife had her first marriage annuled, the Priest said her kids are still legitimate.  I'd guess it cost some money.

I had a chat with her priest about my first marriage but I don't think I understood the options and so did nothing.  I liked her priest, we had some substantive discussions.  

MrNubbz

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 20004
  • Liked:
I know you say Stalin was a bad guy, but at least he was from Georgia.
A dawg indeed
"Let us endeavor so to live - that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 31193
  • Liked:
My wife had her first marriage annuled, the Priest said her kids are still legitimate.  I'd guess it cost some money.

I had a chat with her priest about my first marriage but I don't think I understood the options and so did nothing.  I liked her priest, we had some substantive discussions. 
We didn't get very far once I found out about the money thing.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

bayareabadger

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 9366
  • Liked:
I was thinking about this.

Rather than litigate a malpractice case, how about guilt or malpractice be settled by a tribunal of blind peers? In other words, they don't know who the doctor is - they are simply presented with the facts of the patient and the doctor's OR report.

Let them decide if mistakes were made. Then, when settled, arbiters step in and negotiate a reasonable settlement.

No courtroom, no juries, no expert witnesses.
Going with pure “peers” probably puts a thumb a bit more toward doctors, less toward patients. But it we’re fine with that, maybe works? 

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 83004
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
I was in support of some patent cases back in the day.  In my first experience, the judge had never heard a patent case before.  The arguments being made pretrial were highly technical, probably somewhat like a malpractice case, experts on our side, experts on theirs.  The judge made a pretrial decision in our favor,  but our own lawyers said he got it wrong, and it was overturned on appeal.  I was told a month of litigation cost us over a mil, and this was in 2004.  It was settled, as most here.

It was always about posturing and puffing out chests and then some settlement.

 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.