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Cincydawg

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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #4354 on: April 05, 2021, 10:43:49 AM »
It's a lot tougher, I think, to come to independent opinions on matters, and easier to just parrot whatever your "leader" says about a thing.

Climate Change opinions are excellent examples of this.  If any of us try to read even the technical summaries, it rapidly gets confusing, in my view.  It takes a lot of work, and that's one issue, and the effort might well leave you simply uncertain about the threat of it, and what is to be done about it.

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« Reply #4355 on: April 05, 2021, 11:14:32 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 05, 2021, 06:20:47 AM
You shouldn't be surprised. It's the result of having a plan and hard work.
What base were you born on?
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« Reply #4356 on: April 05, 2021, 11:23:06 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 05, 2021, 11:14:32 AM
What base were you born on?
I'm a first generation college graduate. My family had very little and we lived in a small apartment in a crappy area of Des Plaines, Illinois after leaving the city when I was about 5.

Why do you ask?

I guess my answer would be the on-deck circle, getting ready to take my swings.
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« Reply #4357 on: April 05, 2021, 11:37:03 AM »
We were firmly middle class, no luxuries, modest cars, a decent house, my parents both went to college and graduated.  It was expected.

My Dad wanted me to be an MD but somehow failed to inform me of that wish, my sister told me much later.
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« Reply #4358 on: April 05, 2021, 11:38:30 AM »
I had a lunch table conversation once about what kind of car you'd get for your son if you had serious money, Bill Gates in effect.

My answer at the time was a Chevy Suburban Diesel.  A few said he'd have to work for it.

Maybe so, the life of the really wealthy has troubles too.

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« Reply #4359 on: April 05, 2021, 11:40:47 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 05, 2021, 11:23:06 AM
I'm a first generation college graduate. My family had very little and we lived in a small apartment in a crappy area of Des Plaines, Illinois after leaving the city when I was about 5.

Why do you ask?

I guess my answer would be the on-deck circle, getting ready to take my swings.
Hmm, all of your description centers on economics.  Weird.
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« Reply #4360 on: April 05, 2021, 11:42:04 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 05, 2021, 11:38:30 AM
I had a lunch table conversation once about what kind of car you'd get for your son if you had serious money, Bill Gates in effect.

My answer at the time was a Chevy Suburban Diesel.  A few said he'd have to work for it.

Maybe so, the life of the really wealthy has troubles too.


An old mini-van, lol.
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« Reply #4361 on: April 05, 2021, 12:02:08 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 05, 2021, 11:40:47 AM
Hmm, all of your description centers on economics.  Weird.
How do you get that from my post?
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« Reply #4362 on: April 05, 2021, 12:05:44 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on April 05, 2021, 10:40:22 AM
so what youre saying is a politician claimed credit when non was due

man Im sure glad the potted plant we have in the WH now doesnt ever do that
It goes a step farther than claiming credit where none was due... "Without me, you wouldn't have had this for 5 years." That's the second half. 

Which is what NOB echoes:

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If Trump had not done this, this vaccine would not be anywhere near ready to go by now.



Trump repeated that line so many times, without any evidence. But any rational observer would realize that given this pandemic, any President would have fast-tracked a vaccine and cleared any administrative hurdles in its path to get the country through it.

Even Jimmy Carter and the potted plant would do the same. How to handle that portion of the response to COVID is obvious.  
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #4363 on: April 05, 2021, 12:07:57 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 05, 2021, 10:43:49 AM
It's a lot tougher, I think, to come to independent opinions on matters, and easier to just parrot whatever your "leader" says about a thing.

Climate Change opinions are excellent examples of this.  If any of us try to read even the technical summaries, it rapidly gets confusing, in my view.  It takes a lot of work, and that's one issue, and the effort might well leave you simply uncertain about the threat of it, and what is to be done about it.


This is an excellent point that can be applied in A LOT of different ways. Take theology, for example; I became fed up with whose interpretation was "right" or "better" or more "scripturally accurate." At some point, rather than hearing another back and forth about Infant Baptism, you realize that God gave us a brain and He's entertained with our diversity of good faith Biblical interpretations.

Realizing this while bogged down in theology gave me a whole new approach with which to view the world. The difference with science is we're so easily lead to believe that because science has in the past lead to concrete knowns, such as the Law of Gravity, then anything that comes under the lens of science is likewise afforded status as unchallengeable known. Thus a diet of dubious application gets a pass because of its "science," which merely means there's some sort of scientific logic to falling within the open definition of what a diet even is.

And yes, the open-ended science of Climate Change is such an all or nothing ordeal, most give up and side with their leader.
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« Reply #4364 on: April 05, 2021, 12:17:22 PM »
Quote from: CatsbyAZ on April 05, 2021, 12:07:57 PM

This is an excellent point that can be applied in A LOT of different ways. Take theology, for example; I became fed up with whose interpretation was "right" or "better" or more "scripturally accurate." At some point, rather than hearing another back and forth about Infant Baptism, you realize that God gave us a brain and He's entertained with our diversity of good faith Biblical interpretations.

Realizing this while bogged down in theology gave me a whole new approach with which to view the world. The difference with science is we're so easily lead to believe that because science has in the past lead to concrete knowns, such as the Law of Gravity, then anything that comes under the lens of science is likewise afforded status as unchallengeable known. Thus a diet of dubious application gets a pass because of its "science," which merely means there's some sort of scientific logic to falling within the open definition of what a diet even is.

And yes, the open-ended science of Climate Change is such an all or nothing ordeal, most give up and side with their leader.
Most people on this planet aren't capable of understanding theology or science. Most don't even want to.

They don't want to find the answer.

They want to be told the answer. 

And if the answer isn't what they want to hear, they'll go to someone who tells them a different answer. 
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« Reply #4365 on: April 05, 2021, 12:20:38 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on April 05, 2021, 12:05:44 PM
It goes a step farther than claiming credit where none was due... "Without me, you wouldn't have had this for 5 years." That's the second half.

Which is what NOB echoes:



Trump repeated that line so many times, without any evidence. But any rational observer would realize that given this pandemic, any President would have fast-tracked a vaccine and cleared any administrative hurdles in its path to get the country through it.

Even Jimmy Carter and the potted plant would do the same. How to handle that portion of the response to COVID is obvious. 
Yep just like Obama did with swine flu
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« Reply #4366 on: April 05, 2021, 12:26:54 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on April 05, 2021, 12:05:44 PM
Trump repeated that line so many times, without any evidence. But any rational observer would realize that given this pandemic, any President would have fast-tracked a vaccine and cleared any administrative hurdles in its path to get the country through it.

Even Jimmy Carter and the potted plant would do the same. How to handle that portion of the response to COVID is obvious. 
I can't agree with this statement.  I believe that any president would have TRIED, but any other president would have faced a different set of political pressures and obstacles to push it through, even if the bureaucratic hurdles remained constant.

So, we can speculate all we want, but all we can KNOW is that the actual president at the time, pushed it through.  Anyone else would likely have tried, but we have no way to know whether or not he would have been successful.

If nothing else, we know that our previous president was fairly effective at bulldozing over opposition.  I don't believe we can assume that ANY other president would have been able to do the same.
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« Reply #4367 on: April 05, 2021, 12:29:13 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on April 05, 2021, 12:20:38 PM
Yep just like Obama did with swine flu
Swine flu was nowhere near as deadly. If it was, the response would have been different. 
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