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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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jgvol

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #43470 on: April 08, 2025, 10:54:08 AM »
Football is the revenue driver that pays for all other sports at almost every university (even ones running heavily in the red, still get far more of their revenue from football than all other sports).

So it is my opinion that football should have been exempt from Title IX.  The scholarships distributed to football should not count against the mens total.  Then let all of the other sports adhere to the Title IX statutes.

It is also my opinion that it should be considered entirely separately in any future revenue-sharing models, for the same reason. 

Yes.  Animal Farm.

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« Reply #43471 on: April 08, 2025, 11:10:47 AM »
And there will certainly be negative consequences for non-revenue sports at schools.  Even some of the big-time programs might need to cut non-revenue sports in order to pay football players as employees.

Right, but what I'm asking is, what about the bulk of schools which operate in the red?  Do their football teams make money, just not enough to cover the other sports?  Because that would be a different situation than if the football team doesn't make money.  Like, I don't know if the UNLV football team makes a profit or not.  

If it were the latter case, I just don't understand where any laws can go from there.  You can't get blood from a turnip.  If, on the other hand, most football programs are profitable, but just not to the point where they can successfully subsidize the other sports, that makes a bit more sense.  Like you and badger say, jettison the non-football programs and move on.  

One way or the other, it looks ugly.  I'm not the biggest fan of LSU's smaller athletic programs, but it's always been nice knowing they're there.  


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« Reply #43472 on: April 08, 2025, 11:16:26 AM »
Right, but what I'm asking is, what about the bulk of schools which operate in the red?  Do their football teams make money, just not enough to cover the other sports?  Because that would be a different situation than if the football team doesn't make money.  Like, I don't know if the UNLV football team makes a profit or not. 

If it were the latter case, I just don't understand where any laws can go from there.  You can't get blood from a turnip.  If, on the other hand, most football programs are profitable, but just not to the point where they can successfully subsidize the other sports, that makes a bit more sense.  Like you and badger say, jettison the non-football programs and move on. 

One way or the other, it looks ugly.  I'm not the biggest fan of LSU's smaller athletic programs, but it's always been nice knowing they're there. 


I certainly can't speak for every school, but at the major P4 programs football tends to fund the other sports.  Meaning, it brings in more than it consumes.  It's a net positive.  While all of the other sports at most schools, are a net negative.  They spend more than they bring in.

At some schools basketball is also a net contributor, and as you've pointed out at LSU (and also at Texas) baseball is a net contributor.  But ALL those other programs, are detractors.  They're a drain.  And many of them will have to be cut, if and when schools begin paying football athletes as employees.

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« Reply #43473 on: April 08, 2025, 11:19:31 AM »
So this House vs. NCAA thing that's happening.....I don't know if it will further devolve my dwindling interest in the sport or if it won't affect things, but it seems unlikely that it will help anything. 

The NCAA issued this statement:  "Today's hearing on the landmark settlement was a significant step in modernizing college sports.  If approved, the settlement will allow student athletes the opportunity to receive nearly 50% of athletic department revenue in a sustainable and fair system for years to come." 

This raises a number of issues to think about.  Since most athletic depts operate at a loss, it seems like a further disadvantage to those schools where NIL money is the only shot they have of landing talent.  The handful of profitable schools, I assume, would be able to split Ath. Dept. $ in addition to NIL.  Further, how are most of those schools operating at a loss supposed to share 50% of revenue when there's no profit?  Do they have to operate further in the hole, or do those schools just not profit-share?  Finally, whether profitable or not, it's mainly the football programs that make the Ath. Depts. money.  I think LSU baseball is one of the few exceptions of a team that makes money instead of being floated by the football team.  What about all these gymnasts and pole-vaulters, etc. who aren't generating anything for their athletic departments?  Do they also get to share in the revenue?  If I were an elite football player, I might take exception to that, since I'd know I'm the one who's bringing in $ and thus I might feel entitled to a bigger piece of the pie compared to the swim team.  I might get a lawyer to demand such. 
All of the athletic depts and NCAA did it to themselves when the money got big in the 1990's and got greedy. They could have nipped this in the bud a long time ago, by starting some kind of revenue sharing model back when it was manageable.  But instead we chose to pay coaches $10 million a year, expand every stadium to kingdom come, spend money on everything else under the sun except give the players some kind of share.  Of course, we all know and realize that their piece of the pie would simply grow and grow, but it could have taken 20-30 years to shake it out.  Instead they were forced to do it by the courts, and as such the whole thing is a giant mess.  

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« Reply #43474 on: April 08, 2025, 11:28:06 AM »
I certainly can't speak for every school, but at the major P4 programs football tends to fund the other sports.  Meaning, it brings in more than it consumes.  It's a net positive.  While all of the other sports at most schools, are a net negative.  They spend more than they bring in.

At some schools basketball is also a net contributor, and as you've pointed out at LSU (and also at Texas) baseball is a net contributor.  But ALL those other programs, are detractors.  They're a drain.  And many of them will have to be cut, if and when schools begin paying football athletes as employees.
It's easy for every program to "run in the red" when there is no real business reason to turn a profit.  All of these programs are government programs, even the football program.  They are, after all, state entities and ultimately funded by the state (excluding private schools of course).  Texas A&M football would not exist without Texas A&M University, nor would LSU Football or Texas Football.  A lot of them probably run in the red because they're paying for new track facilities, swimming and diving, equestrian, and the like. 

The only reason for the women's pole vaulting and equestrian (and many men's sports as well) is because Title IX forces the schools to have the same number of men's and women's athletes, and I think the same money spent as well.  Not sure exactly how it works, but basically they try to even out men's vs women's, even though there is virtually zero interest in any women's sport at almost any school.  Just like the WNBA, the sport is propped up by the sports that people care about, which is usually Football, men's basketball, and baseball in a very few cases. The rest are artificial.  

Please don't take this that I'm in favor of shutting down women's sports in all sports.  I'm not.  I'm simply saying that many of these other programs are just very low interest and they would not exist on their own, or if they did they would be very low key.  

I think softball would continue, track and field, and a few others like volleyball.  But I think it would be a different version of itself, very regional, with minimal support.  

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« Reply #43475 on: April 08, 2025, 12:14:06 PM »
I'm wondering about the schools which have their entire athletic department running in the red, and then make the dept partially funded by mandatory student fees. 

I wonder if there will be a pushback when the students basically have to reconcile that they're being charged to pay the athletes an actual salary?

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« Reply #43476 on: April 08, 2025, 12:15:22 PM »
I suppose those programs could survive through NIL.  Guess we'll see how much people actually value them.  

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« Reply #43477 on: April 08, 2025, 12:16:56 PM »
I'm wondering about the schools which have their entire athletic department running in the red, and then make the dept partially funded by mandatory student fees.

I wonder if there will be a pushback when the students basically have to reconcile that they're being charged to pay the athletes an actual salary?

Probably.  I definitely expect some of that.

A school like Texas can charge $10 more per football ticket per game and immediately generate an additional $7M-$8M per year, to be used to pay the players like employees.

Schools running in the red are likely still running in the red even after such a move.  Something will have to give.

I expect some schools to just drop athletics completely.

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« Reply #43478 on: April 08, 2025, 12:20:40 PM »
I wonder if there will be a pushback when the students basically have to reconcile that they're being charged to pay the athletes an actual salary?

Meh, just add it to the list of stuff/people students are already being charged for, which they'd probably complain about if they remotely understood it.  Universities, like so many other things, operate on Scott Adams' "confusopoly" principle.  We work overtime to make sure what you're paying for is as obscure as it can possibly be.  


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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #43479 on: April 08, 2025, 04:55:41 PM »
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« Reply #43480 on: April 09, 2025, 11:19:51 AM »
So, as of today, anything shipped out of China bound for US shores, will have a 104% tariff on it.  This is getting... interesting.

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« Reply #43481 on: April 09, 2025, 11:35:59 AM »
The stuff with non-China countries is....interesting, and I definitely root for some of the possible intentions here, and not for others.  

China.....eh, tariff the hell out of them, because for several reasons I don't think it will hurt much in the long run, and might even help. 

And those penguins on the non-people-inhabited islands.  Tariff the hell out of those adorable bastards, they've been dicking us around for years and getting away with it just 'cuz they're cute.  

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« Reply #43482 on: April 09, 2025, 11:37:05 AM »
They can't even fly.  Zero sympathy for the tariffs on penguin-inhabited islands.

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« Reply #43483 on: April 09, 2025, 01:51:18 PM »
So, as of today, anything shipped out of China bound for US shores, will have a 104% tariff on it.  This is getting... interesting.
Kevin O'Leary says put 400% on 'em...



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