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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42112 on: February 20, 2025, 10:50:01 PM »
Just dropping in from a crazy stretch at work to agree with our resident Chemistry PhD: 50 years ago, we were awash with all kinds of nasty chemicals that have subsequently been banned, or at least substantially limited in their use. I've litigated a decent amount of mass tort stuff as it relates to one of them (well, not a chemical, a substance)--a very useful substance, with a nasty habit of killing a lot of people in a really grueling and horrible way.

And to agree with ELA re pretty much everything he's said in the last couple of pages of this. I, too, have an autistic kid, who falls into what used to be called Aspergers Syndrome. My brother, too. And I would bet, dollars to donuts, at least one, if not both of my parents. All brilliant in their own way. And ELA nailed it--50 (and 40 and 30) years ago, everyone just thought of my brother as weird. Now his nuerologist has no trouble saying he's autistic. He's coped fine, but it would have been a lot better if he had received additional supports--and understanding from those around him--when he was a kid.

I feel very comfortable in saying that if a Democratic President had nominated Kennedy to be our HHS, the Republican freak out would be as big, if not bigger. Deep down, almost all of you know that.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42113 on: February 21, 2025, 03:34:06 AM »

All industries with tons of money to pay lobbyists to keep those middle aisles of the grocery store packed full of cheap garbage to provide the masses with....obvious, demonstrable effects be damned.  

$$$$$ > ethics

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42114 on: February 21, 2025, 08:23:16 AM »
I feel very comfortable in saying that if a Democratic President had nominated Kennedy to be our HHS, the Republican freak out would be as big, if not bigger. Deep down, almost all of you know that.
Not me. I'm for most of what he is saying, no matter what. I also would have voted for him had he remained in the race.
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« Reply #42115 on: February 21, 2025, 08:24:53 AM »
Because?
What I posted is not exactly a picture of health. Quite the opposite.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42116 on: February 21, 2025, 08:40:23 AM »
They invented pesticides in 1975?

I lroll my eyes at that fella. The rallying around someone who would’ve been mocked endlessly if he’d not joined up with some folks’ team is a reminder of an unfortunate trend in our national dialogue. But everyone falls in line.
Many pesticides were invented after 1975.

When I was growing up (in 1975) there was a fruit and veggie stand on most corners. We also had a milk man.

Eye roll all you want, but the food was better then.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42117 on: February 21, 2025, 08:58:43 AM »
Fifty years ago was 1975, right?  Math check.  I was in college, most folks got food from grocery stores as they do today.  Quite a few "additives" used at that time have been banned since, and replaced largely with chemicals thought to be "safer", along with modified farming practices in some cases.  We also have "organic" today, which never existed back when outside special outlets.

Cancer rates overall have declined despite better detection methods.  It's facile to blame "chemicals" broadly without being specific and showing hard data.

My wife used to pay a service to "spray" stuff around her house for bugs.  I asked one of them what he was spraying and he didn't know beyond the term "big killer".  It probably was malathion, but I never knew for sure.  I also was dubious what they were doing had any real impact on bugs in her home.

I had a fairly brief project at one point to deal with fleas on pets, it was quite interesting, I read up a bit on how pesticides work.  A lot of the "old" pesticides were perchlorinated like DDT and were banned in part because they are biopersistent.  Folks used a lot of that type, think chlordane et al., back in the day.  They were replaced in part with the pyrethrin/permethrin types which biodegrade and are found in chrysanthemums.  

I think most of our "food issues" relate to obesity.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42118 on: February 21, 2025, 09:06:36 AM »
Y'all went and offended the Chemist, and now you will feel the wrath!!!


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« Reply #42119 on: February 21, 2025, 09:15:09 AM »
I'm not offended of course, but the disinformation in the field is rife.  The dose makes the poison.  A lot of things are toxic at certain levels and entirely necessary for life at others.  Vitamin A is quite toxic, of course at levels one wouldn't normally achieve, but it's possible.  Selenium is toxic, but we need a tiny amount in our diets.

I got very interested in insect growth regulators, methoprene is one of them.  They are almost certainly "nontoxic" to humans, but will keep insect eggs and larvae from maturing.  But they have no impact on insect adults or pupae.  Humans want instant results, and IGRs provide delayed results.  So they don't sell.  (They also are degraded by light, which plausibly could be managed.  That was my approach before the project was canned.)

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« Reply #42120 on: February 21, 2025, 09:15:47 AM »
Fifty years ago was 1975, right?  Math check.  I was in college, most folks got food from grocery stores as they do today.  Quite a few "additives" used at that time have been banned since, and replaced largely with chemicals thought to be "safer", along with modified farming practices in some cases.  We also have "organic" today, which never existed back when outside special outlets.

Cancer rates overall have declined despite better detection methods.  It's facile to blame "chemicals" broadly without being specific and showing hard data.

My wife used to pay a service to "spray" stuff around her house for bugs.  I asked one of them what he was spraying and he didn't know beyond the term "big killer".  It probably was malathion, but I never knew for sure.  I also was dubious what they were doing had any real impact on bugs in her home.

I had a fairly brief project at one point to deal with fleas on pets, it was quite interesting, I read up a bit on how pesticides work.  A lot of the "old" pesticides were perchlorinated like DDT and were banned in part because they are biopersistent.  Folks used a lot of that type, think chlordane et al., back in the day.  They were replaced in part with the pyrethrin/permethrin types which biodegrade and are found in chrysanthemums. 

I think most of our "food issues" relate to obesity.
Chemicals are vibes now.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42121 on: February 21, 2025, 09:21:16 AM »
Chemicals are vibes now.
You use this term a lot.  I'm not really sure what you mean by it?  Please explain, if you're so inclined?  I'm not being combative, I really have no idea what you mean.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42122 on: February 21, 2025, 09:22:10 AM »
One predictable constant in life is that "we" prefer to blame others for our ills.  Talk about obesity, and folks blame "processed food" and food companies.  Talk about autism and some blame vaccines and whatever else.  Talke about bowel disease and folks blame gluten (as if some food company is nefariously adding gluten to food).  Blame mental issues and some blame power lines.  It goes on and on and on.

The fault, usually, lies with "us".

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« Reply #42123 on: February 21, 2025, 09:26:37 AM »
Did I have to eat processed foods?

Did I have to eat fast food?

Did I have to smoke?

I'm not blaming any of those things. I blame me, and anyone else who makes those poor choices. 

The price is steep.

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« Reply #42124 on: February 21, 2025, 09:30:45 AM »
vibes = feelings, moods, attitudes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #42125 on: February 21, 2025, 09:33:25 AM »
Food companies have sold convenience, which means less cooking, microwave meals, etc.  Wives used to spend an hour or more making dinner, using "real food".  Now, often as not, they just heat something up.  I was a single parent, I certainly get it.  I'd get home and the first job was to figure our dinner.  We ate a lot of spaghetti.

My kids of course didn't like broccoli etc. so there was not much point in fixing it.  I fixed green beans once fresh, they wouldn't eat them, but they'd eat canned green beans.

I used hamburger helper at times, I knew it had a lot of salt, but the kids would eat it.  A single parent starts to value time and convenience and what kids will eat over better nutrition.  The food companies oblige.

I still like spaghetti.

 

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