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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41034 on: December 28, 2024, 10:51:27 AM »
What are you advocating for?
I'd love for economic prosperity to actually trickle down.  When a big company does well, reward the many as well as the few.  
Maybe Amazon could allow an environment in which warehouse workers have the time to use the bathroom.  
Maybe Walmart workers could be full-time employees.
Maybe social media companies shouldn't be slaves to their own algorithms. 
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You know, radical,horrible ideas.  
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« Reply #41035 on: December 28, 2024, 10:52:50 AM »
If you would propose some sort of remediation, I'd listen (read).

No you wouldn't.
You'd nitpick.
You'd criticize.
You'd shit on whatever I shared.  Even if it was the perfect answer.

Don't lie.  
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41036 on: December 28, 2024, 10:55:42 AM »
I would read whatever you proposed.  I'd also be astonished if it made any sense.

But, as you appear to be unable to propose anything, the issue is moot.

To me, it's nothing but puerile whining, with no proposed practicable solution, even a partial one.

Life in unfair.  Indeed it is.  I can't fix that.

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« Reply #41037 on: December 28, 2024, 10:59:40 AM »
I'd love for economic prosperity to actually trickle down.  When a big company does well, reward the many as well as the few. 
Maybe Amazon could allow an environment in which warehouse workers have the time to use the bathroom. 
Maybe Walmart workers could be full-time employees.
Maybe social media companies shouldn't be slaves to their own algorithms.
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You know, radical,horrible ideas. 
It is up to those companies to take care or not take care of their employees.

It's pretty widely known that Jeff Bezos is an evil person.

I don't know much about the Walton family.
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« Reply #41038 on: December 28, 2024, 11:00:11 AM »
I would read whatever you proposed.  I'd also be astonished if it made any sense.

But, as you appear to be unable to propose anything, the issue is moot.

To me, it's nothing but puerile whining, with no proposed practicable solution, even a partial one.

Life in unfair.  Indeed it is.  I can't fix that.
Sorry I'm not typing out a proposal for reorganizing our country's entire economic system. 
My bad.  Let's not criticize anything unless we have a fix.

So shut up about me, unless you can fix me.  :57:
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« Reply #41039 on: December 28, 2024, 11:01:23 AM »
It is up to those companies to take care or not take care of their employees.

It's pretty widely known that Jeff Bezos is an evil person.

I don't know much about the Walton family.
The Walton family makes damn sure as few employees as possible reach the number of hours worked to qualify for benefits.  So they're peachy.

Who are some kind, ethical billionaires? 
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41040 on: December 28, 2024, 11:15:12 AM »
I wonder if it's a good thing when one gets badly embarassed if the person doesn't understand that it happened.


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« Reply #41041 on: December 28, 2024, 11:23:44 AM »
I think Amazon and on line shopping has killed a lot of shopping malls.
Um yes and it's ghastly well kind of when those empty silent gray hulks slouch there gathering weeds and cracked parking lots where a once thriving markets teemed with activity
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« Reply #41042 on: December 28, 2024, 11:32:26 AM »
My step son and his GF were here for a few days and wanted to go to a mall north of us, the principal mall in ATL.  We started across the street at Phipp's Plaza, which is a smaller upscale mall my wife wanted to visit.  I was surprised how busy it was, very few empty store fronts.  We walked across the Lenox, same thing, even busier (I realize it's the Season).  They seem to be doing OK but I've seen other suburban malls being bulldozed here, or repurposed, or bought up the by the county.

Like most men, I dislike "shopping".  If I need something, OK, go get it and done, which usually means Amazon anyway for me.

Women seem more often to "enjoy" the experience, looking at this, looking at that, drives me crazy.  It's as if they want something but they don't know what, they just want to spend money on something new, consumer culture.  If I want something and feel I need it, I buy it, done.  No shopping randomly with some chance I see something I want.

My wife lets me off usually of course.  She often wants to buy me clothes which I do not need.


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« Reply #41043 on: December 28, 2024, 12:17:29 PM »
The Walton family makes damn sure as few employees as possible reach the number of hours worked to qualify for benefits.  So they're peachy.

Who are some kind, ethical billionaires? 
I only know two.

Ken Griffin is a very nice man, as is John Canning.
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« Reply #41044 on: December 28, 2024, 12:27:39 PM »
For one person to win, hundreds just have to stay at the same plateau for decades. 
You're right, let's joke about it and deny it's that way.  Fun. 
BULLSHIT the economy is not a zero-sum game.  Please go take a macro economics class or two or just observe what actually happens. 

And I wasn't joking, I was making a sarcastic comment about your ignorance of how an economy works.  If the economy was a zero-sum game there would be no growth in the economy over time. 

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #41045 on: December 28, 2024, 12:44:15 PM »
The class envy thing works a LOT better if one believes it's a zero sum game.

I personally know one lady who my wife says has "billions", she is very nice, to me anyway, and I know is a major supporter of her community.  Her husband made the money, maybe he was cutthroat, he died before I knew them.  I knew coworkers I'd call cutthroat and unpleasant fighting over promotions and whatnot well below the top levels.

I used to joke that they could cut the pay of folks they promoted and still have folks vying for the status and "power".

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« Reply #41046 on: December 28, 2024, 01:08:50 PM »
As for the US economy, the figures are available that clearly show it's not some zero sum game, if one believes government figures.  There are times when it has been a negative sum game, I guess we'd say "subtraction".  But aside from COVID, our economy has been streadily growing for an unusual number of years in real terms.

That effectively means a larger pie.  As I noted above, a large section of that larger pie has been going to wealthier folks, this isn't unique of course, it's inherent.  When the stock market goes up, I personally benefit, while someone scraping by doesn't except secondarily.  A billionaire buys a yacht, someone had to design and build it, and someone made the materials from which it was assembled.

Europe tried a bilionaire wealth tax a few years back, it's worth reading about what happened, if you can't predict the outcome beforehand.

Politicians thrive on fear and hatred, nearly all of them identify some group or groups to loathe and despise and want to punish.  They feed on human nature and tribalism.

Is there a football game on?

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« Reply #41047 on: December 28, 2024, 01:16:20 PM »
As for "nitpicking" ideas, it was a major part of my training/education.  Folks would propose their concepts and the rest of us would shoot it down.  This is a productive tactic and process.  Ideas that were bad at the start don't get resources.  Ideas that had some issues that could be addressed would get resources.  Anyone who likes throwing out ideas without any critique will not like me.  I've had plenty of my own shot down of course.  I'm used to it.


 

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