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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #39900 on: November 19, 2024, 03:31:29 PM »
The funniest thing in Hawaii, to me, was having Spam served at McDs for breakfast.  

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« Reply #39901 on: November 19, 2024, 03:33:31 PM »
An egg on spam is MUCH better than Roasted tomatoes and cold cuts/cheese.

Or beans on toast
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« Reply #39902 on: November 19, 2024, 03:34:46 PM »
Speaking of processed foods, does anyone here eat Spam more than once a year?  My wife has mentioned it before, she asked me what it was, she thinks the term relates to email.  My notion, and I could be wrong, is that it's basically a "hotdog" kind of thing in a tin.  It might be better than hot dogs healthwise, that could be close.  It is GLUTEN FREE !!!!!! at least.  Nitrites are not the best thing to be ingesting often.




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« Reply #39903 on: November 19, 2024, 03:39:49 PM »
like ABC Stores in Hawaii?

I bought sammiches and chips and drinks there and brought back to my daughters in the room

still expensive
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« Reply #39904 on: November 19, 2024, 03:47:59 PM »
Speaking of processed foods, does anyone here eat Spam more than once a year?  
It's been a couple of years but a buddy of mine occasionally makes Spamburgers on the grill in the summer. Slice some fresh tomatoes,cukes,mayo on it. And some corn on the cob with watermelon(farm stands) - plenty to balance out the saltiness.I put a slice of NY sharp cheddar on top.Washed it down with a peach infused Weizen.Usually it'd be a Pabst/Miller but that's what he had
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« Reply #39905 on: November 19, 2024, 03:55:46 PM »
The term "spam" to describe unwanted messages comes from a 1970 sketch on the British comedy show Monty Python's Flying Circus: 



  • The sketch
    In the sketch, Vikings chant the name of the canned meat product "Spam" so loudly and repetitively that they drown out other conversations. 




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« Reply #39906 on: November 19, 2024, 03:57:28 PM »
Building a wall and making Mexico pay for it
This was, IMHO, a very poor phrasing of a very good idea.  

The US taxes international transfers.  Immigrants, both legal and illegal, transfer billions (probably actually trillions) of dollars per year back to their countries of origin.  The idea here was to introduce a very small % increase to the international transfer tax and use the revenue thus generated to pay for the wall.  

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« Reply #39907 on: November 19, 2024, 03:59:42 PM »
Speaking of processed foods, does anyone here eat Spam more than once a year?  My wife has mentioned it before, she asked me what it was, she thinks the term relates to email.  My notion, and I could be wrong, is that it's basically a "hotdog" kind of thing in a tin.  It might be better than hot dogs healthwise, that could be close.  It is GLUTEN FREE !!!!!! at least.  Nitrites are not the best thing to be ingesting often.




Way Better than hotdogs
You can see the chunks of ham and pork that were pressed together

Not bad, I don't eat it regularly, but don't mind it.

Not healthy, way salty - similar to ham
not so sure about maple flavored
Pairs well with Pabst/Miller/Grain Belt
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« Reply #39908 on: November 19, 2024, 04:02:31 PM »
People can say what they want about him, especially those that don’t like him, but he’s the first darn politician in my lifetime that does what he says he’s going to do after winning. Again, there’s plenty of people that don’t like some or all of what he does, but at least he’s not full of $h!t, doing the opposite after the election.
Eh, I'm not so sure TBH.  

Immigration became the single most important issue to me long before Trump came along when I noticed how much my little city spends per year on translators for our Court.  Then I looked it up and:
  • Ohio is one of the lowest immigration states in the Union.  
  • Medina (my county) is one of the lowest immigration counties in Ohio.  
Taking #1 and #2 together, I realized that I literally live in one of the lowest immigration areas in the whole country and illegal immigrant crime is a MAJOR problem HERE.  If it is that bad here, it has to be devastating in higher immigration locales.  This is just one of the costs that we pay.  

Because of this, I was a big supporter of Trump back in 2016 because he was the first credible candidate in generations who actually took the side of the American people on the immigration issue.  Unlike the others, he didn't fold to the donor class and their insatiable demands for ever more cheap labor.  

Then he got into office and I'm pretty sure I built more fence at my house from 2017-2020 than he built wall on the US/Mexican border.  I hope the second term is a lot less talk (and tweet) and a lot more action.  

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« Reply #39909 on: November 19, 2024, 04:05:55 PM »
Trump did promise a lot of stuff that never even got mentioned after he was in office.  I expect the same this time.  And maybe that's "OK" in a sense.

The hysterics I have read on FB is probably about enough to make me glad he won.  I'm at least glad Harris did not win, but I'd be gladder if neither won.

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« Reply #39910 on: November 19, 2024, 04:06:55 PM »
Speaking of processed foods, does anyone here eat Spam more than once a year?  My wife has mentioned it before, she asked me what it was, she thinks the term relates to email.  My notion, and I could be wrong, is that it's basically a "hotdog" kind of thing in a tin.  It might be better than hot dogs healthwise, that could be close.  It is GLUTEN FREE !!!!!! at least.  Nitrites are not the best thing to be ingesting often.
The French eat all sorts of potted meats, rillettes, terrine, pate', etc.  Spam really isn't all that different.  It's pretty much the same thing but with a firmer texture and pressed into a tin rather than a jar or ramekin.

She should try it, she might like it.


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« Reply #39911 on: November 19, 2024, 04:13:17 PM »
You are correct, I might disguise it and tell her it's "American Pork pate'" or somesuch, which really isn't much of a lie.  She serves up cornichon with sandwiches and those rillette thingees, and I have become a big fan of cornichon.  Of course, I can't eat their thin pancakes, wouldn't be prudent.

That was one of the best silliest movies I've seen in a while.

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« Reply #39912 on: November 19, 2024, 04:19:51 PM »
A Brief History of Spam, an American Meat Icon - Eater

For a six-ingredient food product, it's taken on a life of its own. Spam — the square-shaped mash-up of pork, water, salt, potato starch, sugar, and sodium nitrate — recently celebrated its 77th anniversary of being alternately maligned, celebrated, musicalized, or the subject of urban legend (one particularly pervasive myth insists that its name is actually an acronym for "Scientifically Processed Animal Matter"). And despite today's more locavore approach to food and some unkind memories from soldiers who were served Spam during WWII, Spam has entered its third quarter-century on the rise. More than eight billion cans have been sold since the Hormel Corporation unleashed the product in 1937; it's currently available in 44 countries throughout the world.


Spam's ability to straddle highbrow and lowbrow is apparently in its DNA: Since its early days, even Jay Hormel, the man who Spam made rich, had a vexed relationship with the lunchmeat. In a 1945 "Talk of the Town" profile published in The New Yorker, Hormel met writer Brendan Gill over noontime drinks, during which Gill "got the distinct impression that being responsible for Spam might be too great a burden on any one man." The piece sees Hormel waffling on his brand's association with Spam, spending equal time distancing himself from it ("Sometimes I wonder if we shouldn't have…") and defending it ("Damn it, we eat it in our own home").
Spam's ability to straddle highbrow and lowbrow is apparently in its DNA.
The budget-friendly meat has enjoyed a recent upswing on the American mainland in part thanks to rising meat costs and a floundering economy: When the recession hit in early 2008, Spam saw its sales jump 10 percent compared to the previous year. A CBS News report noted that the increased numbers were seemingly accompanied by a cultural shift: Even consumers who continued to purchase expensive organic vegetables were adding cans of Spam to their pantries. The meat, once relegated as a quirk of Hawaiian or Asian cuisine, started appearing on haute restaurant menus as a nod to that highbrow/lowbrow mash-up, or perhaps to the chef's feelings of nostalgia for the ingredient. (A quick search of Spam recipes from the '60s reveals dishes like Spam upside-down pie; and Spam sandwiches topped with baked beans.)



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« Reply #39913 on: November 19, 2024, 04:30:03 PM »
It's not a think anymore than B(ush)DS or (O)DS or (B)DS were.  It's just a convenient thing for supporters of whatever party is in power to rely on, rather than defending their person's policy.

There is rightful, legitimate Hilary Clinton hatred, but I wouldn't label it HDS
I don't really want this, but at the same time, I do kinda want to hear the explanation:

What is TDS [Trump Derangement Syndrome]? (See, I know what it stands for, but I have no idea how to apply it.)

As I understand it, the general concept is: they guy says a lot of stuff just to rile people up; he doesn't really mean it; or maybe he says a lot of stuff off the cuff, so don't take it too seriously.

If I've got that right, how are we supposed to tell what to believe and what not to believe? Do we just ask a Trumper? That would be like asking a Biden sychophant to explain why Biden didn't really mean what he said (and that he's not going senile).

So what's the test for TDS?

Because I'm not going to lie to you: telling Congress it should recess so that he doesn't have to get his cabinet appointees confirmed, nominating Gaetz and Kennedy for AG and HHS, respectively, and putting Stephen Miller in the White House (just to name the most outlandish appointments so far) doesn't seem like he's just shooting from the hip with stuff he doesn't really mean. It sort of seems like it's exactly what he was saying he was going to do--that people keep accusing his opponents of suffering from TDS for pointing out.
I'm going to push back a little bit on this.   It isn't that it is totally absent among Conservatives/Republicans but it is MUCH less prevalent.  

I think this is for the same reason that gerrymandering inherently favors Republicans.  Quite simply, in our modern political landscape, Democrats are MUCH more densely packed than Republicans.  

On most metrics, Republicans win small majorities of large groups while Democrats win large majorities of small groups.  

Consider a few metrics, first race:  
According to NBC's exit poll
NBC's exit poll:
  • White voters made up 71% of the electorate and Trump won them 57-41 over Harris.  
  • Black voters made up 11% of the electorate and Harris won them 85-13 over Trump.  
In round numbers, three out of five whites voted Trump while five out of six blacks voted Harris.  

Other metrics on which Democrats are similarly densely packed include education and geography.  Here I'll focus on Geography and explain how this works in practice:

My county is considered pretty conservative and Trump won here roughly 60-40.  San Francisco where I think @SFBadger96 hails from voted for Harris over Trump 80-16 according to the first hit on google when I looked it up.  

The ratios are roughly:
  • 3:2 R here in Medina County, Ohio.  
  • 5:1 D in San Francisco.  
On a practical level, this leads to what I refer to as a "Critical Mass" issue.  


Example:
Lets say that @SFBadger96 and I trade places.  He becomes a Democrat in Medina and I become a Republican in San Francisco.  

Now lets say that we have a group of homeowners who get together for dinner or a group of co-workers who get together for lunch and lets say these groups have 5-6 people:
  • In Medina, @SFBadger96 is typically one of 2-3 Democrats in a group of 5-6 people.  
  • In San Francisco, I am nearly always the ONLY Republican in a group of 5-6 people.  

Unless you are just a disagreeable person who simply likes to argue, there is no point in talking politics as an R in San Francisco because in any normal-sized group you are almost always a minority of one. 

This simply doesn't apply to Democrats in Medina.  @SFBadger96 as a Democrat in Medina is typically going to have someone on his side in a political discussion in a group of 5-6 people.  Furthermore, since most people aren't monolithically Republican nor monolithically Democrat, there will be issues on which he is actually in the majority in that group of 5-6 people.  Maybe one of the three R's is pro-choice so the group is 3:2 pro-choice.  Conversely, one of the D's might be pro-gun so he might be a minority of one from time to time but not ALL THE TIME like I would be in SF.  

The consequence of this is that as scarce as Republicans are in SF, they actually appear to be even LESS prevalent because the few Republicans that are around generally just keep their mouths shut too avoid the arguments.  

You are much more susceptible to "TDS" when you operate in an environment where the other side is flat invisible.  At that point it is easy to think that only abject nutcases could possibly vote for the other side because you don't know and interact with any real people who do.  It is a lot harder for a Republican in Medina to fall into that trap because in a typical group of five, there are two D's.  We DO know and interact with plenty of D's and we know that they (or at least some of them) are NOT abject nutcases.  We know that at least some of them are good people who we are happy to have as neighbors and proud to call friends.  

 

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