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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #38696 on: October 31, 2024, 09:23:21 AM »
Texas isn't on the coast
Sounds like the San Francisco idiot I knew who told me Texas was "landlocked."  

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« Reply #38697 on: October 31, 2024, 09:25:19 AM »
Chicago is on a Coast too. Sometimes it freezes.
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« Reply #38698 on: October 31, 2024, 09:28:42 AM »
Sounds like the San Francisco idiot I knew who told me Texas was "landlocked." 
ding, ding, ding!
We have a winner
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« Reply #38699 on: October 31, 2024, 09:30:20 AM »
Sort of, it's not a true proportional system but it does split them. Correct me if I'm wrong but they give two votes to the winner of the state and one for each Congressional district. Nebraska went 58/39 by the popular vote and 4:1 by the electoral vote. But you can see the incentive a proportion would make - a few votes more for Biden would make it a 3:2 split.
Ed Zachery

there was a proposal a few months ago to change to winner take all
it was shot down in flames
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« Reply #38700 on: October 31, 2024, 10:20:56 AM »
Ed Zachery

there was a proposal a few months ago to change to winner take all
it was shot down in flames
Why was it shot down? Not enough support in the state house?
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« Reply #38701 on: October 31, 2024, 10:50:56 AM »
yes sir

they want to stay unique 

the Repubs hoped to run it through to give Trump a few more votes but....... no sir
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« Reply #38702 on: October 31, 2024, 10:59:34 AM »
Why was it shot down? Not enough support in the state house?
The proposal to change to winner-take-all didn't get any traction until September, after it became clear that Trump was running on fumes and the brass in the Nebraska GOP realized that Trump was going to need every EV he can get if he has any chance to win.

In order to pass the measure, it would require every Republican member's support in their Legislature. One holdout made it abundantly clear that he was not going to support the proposal only six weeks out from the 2024 election.

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« Reply #38703 on: October 31, 2024, 11:01:02 AM »
yup

also wasn't popular with the people
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #38704 on: October 31, 2024, 11:10:58 AM »
Each state could do as Neb and Maine do, no amendment needed, but that won't happen.

The Compact of the States is an interesting approach but seems stalled.

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #38705 on: October 31, 2024, 11:11:36 AM »
I now I have eye 20-20 amd theother 20-200+, it's very disorienting.


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« Reply #38707 on: October 31, 2024, 11:19:02 AM »
why bother with the EC then?
I don't want to answer for him but I'll give my answer as to why I would prefer his proposal to a national popular vote.  

To review, his proposal was to award EC votes proportionally by state.  So for example, in 2020 in Ohio the vote was:
  • 3,154,834 Trump, 53.27%
  • 2,679,165 Biden, 45.24%
  • 67,569 Jorgensen (Libertarian), 1.14%
  • 18,812 Hawkins (Green), 0.32%
  • 1,822 other, 0.03%
Ohio had 18 EV's in the 2020 election so, as I understood it, @MaximumSam 's proposal would have simply multiplied % by 18 to get:
  • 53.27%*18 = 9.58 Trump
  • 45.24%*18 = 8.14 Biden
  • 1.14%*18 = 0.21 Jorgensen
  • negligible for the rest.  
So Ohio's EV's would go:
  • 10 Trump
  • 8 Biden
This avoids two problems that a national popular vote could would create:

First, each state matters.  With a national popular vote the bulk of the campaigning would be in states big enough to justify a presence.  With this system there would only realistically be one or *MAYBE* two EV's up for grabs in any state so campaigning in Ohio (or for that matter Wyoming) would be just as effective as campaigning in California.  Looking specifically at Ohio, Biden could have improved to 9-9 by increasing his take in Ohio by enough to get a bigger fraction after his 8 than Trump had after his 9.  That difference isn't all that big so it would be a plausibly achievable goal.  Specifically, if the Biden campaign can change 75,000 Trump voters to Biden voters the new totals are:
  • 3,079,834 Trump, 52.00%, 9.36 EV's
  • 2,754,165 Biden, 46.51%, 8.37 EV's
  • The rest are negligible.  
The rounding is weird but:
  • Trump gets 9 EV's.  
  • Biden gets 8 EV's.  
  • There is 1 remaining EV that nobody earned more than 1/2 of but Biden earned the plurality of it:
  • 0.37 Biden
  • 0.36 Trump
  • 0.21 Jorgensen
  • 0.06 Hawkins
  • 0.01 Other
Biden gets that left-over EV because he won a plurality of it.  

Second, while vote fraud would matter more than it does now, it wouldn't matter as much as in a National Popular Vote.  


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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #38708 on: October 31, 2024, 11:19:29 AM »
get yourself a patch!

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #38709 on: October 31, 2024, 11:19:32 AM »
The US is a republic and not a democracy.
This is something that far too few people realize let alone understand.  

 

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