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« Reply #38066 on: October 17, 2024, 08:17:59 AM »
Which Democrat would have been better?  Nobody else really had a path to the nomnation after Biden left.
Should Biden have "left?"  He was fit as a fiddle according the VP Harris.  In reality, she should be President at this time.
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« Reply #38067 on: October 17, 2024, 08:18:15 AM »
I didn’t watch it, nor do I plan on it.  

I did catch a couple glimpses this morning of the MSM whining about a “ hostile” interview.  

The irony, hypocrisy and lack of self awareness are incredible.  

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« Reply #38068 on: October 17, 2024, 08:19:50 AM »
Which Democrat would have been better?  Nobody else really had a path to the nomnation after Biden left.
Nobody really knows because they weren’t allowed to have any kind of real elections or primaries. They didn’t have any debates and they knew years ago Biden was not a viable candidate. 

They purposely ensured that Kamala was the only viable candidate by making the change so late in the cycle. 

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« Reply #38069 on: October 17, 2024, 08:25:39 AM »
Nobody really knows because they weren’t allowed to have any kind of real elections or primaries. They didn’t have any debates and they knew years ago Biden was not a viable candidate.

They purposely ensured that Kamala was the only viable candidate by making the change so late in the cycle.
There was no democratic process in the selection of VP Harris, rather the selection was confirmed after the fact by the Democratic Party caucus.  Kind of like a puppet legislature confirms an edict by a dictator (Obama).  I'm not comfortable with it under any circumstances.  It would have been better if Biden stepped down as President but that's not how Obama does things.
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« Reply #38070 on: October 17, 2024, 08:29:22 AM »
Nobody really knows because they weren’t allowed to have any kind of real elections or primaries. They didn’t have any debates and they knew years ago Biden was not a viable candidate.

They purposely ensured that Kamala was the only viable candidate by making the change so late in the cycle.
Purposely implies a real level of compitance and planning, but I just don’t think they have.

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« Reply #38071 on: October 17, 2024, 08:31:58 AM »
Whenever you actually meet the people supposedly controlling things you quickly realize how little they control

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« Reply #38072 on: October 17, 2024, 08:43:05 AM »
I don't think there was a realistic option for Dems.  One can perhaps think "X" would have been better, and maybe it is so, but "X" had no realistic practicable path.

The Dems basically only had the one option at that point.  I was curious why they wanted a debate so early in the process.  I think I know why now.

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« Reply #38073 on: October 17, 2024, 08:43:44 AM »
WASHINGTON (AP) — Elon Musk, a tech mogul who is the world’s richest person, plunged more than $70 million into helping Donald Trump and other Republicans win in November’s election, making him one of the biggest donors to GOP causes this campaign season, according to campaign finance disclosures released this week.

Musk made the donation over the summer to America PAC, a super political action committee he launched in May to aid Trump in his bid to return to the White House. It quickly became a central player in Trump’s election effort.

“The America PAC is just aiming for common sense, centrist values,” the Space X and Tesla founder said Tuesday on his social media platform X, shortly after the sum of money he contributed was made public in a campaign finance filing.

Super PACs like Musk’s America PAC can raise and spend unlimited sums of money but are typically are forbidden from coordinating their efforts with the candidates they support. A recent opinion by the Federal Election Commission, which regulates federal political campaigns, allowed for candidates and these big-spending groups to work together on so-called ground game efforts, which are the armies of people deployed to knock on doors to help turn out the vote.

I find all of that pretty amusing.

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« Reply #38074 on: October 17, 2024, 08:53:25 AM »
From the NYT, I don't understand the difference between AA and "DEI".

What went wrong?
By Nicholas Confessore
I’m a political and investigative reporter.
Diversity, equity and inclusion programs are under attack. A dozen states have passed new laws restricting D.E.I. in public universities. Conservatives argue that the decades-long drive to increase racial diversity in America’s universities has corrupted higher education.
After covering some of these debates for The Times, I decided that I needed to see D.E.I. programs up close. So earlier this year, I began visiting the University of Michigan, one of the country’s most prestigious public universities.
Michigan voters had banned affirmative action in 2006, leading to a plunge in minority enrollment, particularly Black students. So the university built one of the most ambitious D.E.I. programs in higher education. It hoped to attract and retain a more diverse array of students and faculty. Since 2016, I learned, the university has spent roughly a quarter of a billion dollars on the effort. Each of Michigan’s 51 schools, colleges, libraries and other units has its own D.E.I. plan; many have their own D.E.I. offices. By one count, the school has more D.E.I. staff members than any other large public university in the country.
The program has yielded wins — a greater proportion of Hispanic and Asian undergraduates and a more racially diverse staff. It has also struggled to achieve some central goals. The proportion of Black undergraduates, now around 5 percent, has barely changed in a decade.
Most strikingly, the university’s own data suggests that in striving to become more diverse and equitable, Michigan has become less inclusive. In a 2022 survey, students and faculty members reported a less positive campus climate than at the program’s start and less of a sense of belonging. Minority students — particularly those who are Black — were also less likely to report “feelings of being valued, belonging, personal growth and thriving.” Across the board, students were less likely to interact with people of a different race or with different politics.
These are the precise areas of engagement that D.E.I. programs have promised to improve. I wrote a story in The New York Times Magazine today about why the effort is coming up short.
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Students walk around the campus of the University of Michigan, a pole with the American and college flag in the background.
At the University of Michigan.  Nic Antaya for The New York Times
One reason I wanted to report at the University of Michigan was to better understand campus conflicts around identity and speech. Last year, the school received more than twice as many formal complaints of sex or gender discrimination than it did in 2015. During roughly the same period, complaints involving race, religion or national origin have increased from a few dozen to almost 400.
Some of that change reflects a growing willingness to challenge ugly behavior that might once have been tolerated. But people at Michigan also argued to me that the school’s D.E.I. efforts had fostered a culture of grievance. Everyday campus complaints and academic disagreements, professors and students told me, were cast as crises of inclusion and harm, each demanding administrative intervention.
At the law school, some students demanded that a professor be fired for referring to two students — who were both named Xu and sat next to each other in class — as “left Xu” and “right Xu.” Another class was derailed when the professor asked a white student to read aloud from a 1950s court decision containing the word “Negro.”
As at other colleges and universities nationwide, faculty and students told me, everything escalated in the wake of George Floyd’s murder in 2020. One professor, Eric Fretz, was pulled into a Title IX hearing because he invited his class to let him know when he wasn’t being sensitive enough to gender stereotypes. (A student complained that Fretz was forcing his female students to educate their own professor on how not to be sexist.)
What is D.E.I. really for?
Michigan’s recent past may be a glimpse of D.E.I.’s future. The school’s program was built to accomplish what affirmative action, forbidden in the state, could not. Last year, the Supreme Court copied Michigan and barred schools nationwide from using racial preferences in admissions, making administrators likely to reach for D.E.I. solutions.
What went wrong at Michigan? One answer is that programs like Michigan’s are confused about whom — and what — D.E.I. is really for. The earliest versions were aimed at integrating Black students who began arriving on college campuses in larger numbers in the 1960s and 1970s. But in subsequent decades, as the Supreme Court whittled down the permissible scope of affirmative action programs, what began as a tool for racial justice turned into a program of educational enrichment: A core principle of D.E.I. now is that all students learn better in diverse environs.
That leaves D.E.I. programs less focused on the people they were originally conceived to help — and conflicted about what they are really trying to achieve. Schools like Michigan pay lip service to religious or political diversity, for example, but may do little to advance those goals. Along the way, they make ambitious commitments to racial diversity that prove difficult to achieve. As a result, many Black students at Michigan have grown cynical about the school’s promises and feel that D.E.I. has forgotten them. They are, a leader in the university’s Black Student Union told me, “invested in the work, but not in D.E.I. itself.”


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« Reply #38075 on: October 17, 2024, 09:06:45 AM »
Which Democrat would have been better?  Nobody else really had a path to the nomnation after Biden left.
He didn't leave. He was pushed out and replaced. Killing democracy to save democracy.
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« Reply #38076 on: October 17, 2024, 09:07:35 AM »

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« Reply #38077 on: October 17, 2024, 10:17:08 AM »
Is "DEI" different from "AA" somehow?  Or is it a different term for the same thing?

We were heavily into both where I worked, it was obvious, glaring, open, and often counterproductive in my view.

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« Reply #38078 on: October 17, 2024, 11:44:52 AM »
He didn't leave. He was pushed out and replaced. Killing democracy to save democracy.
I find it odd that the only people complaining about how the Democrats replaced their candidate are folks who are going to vote for the Republican. 

I mean, if she's such a bad candidate, shouldn't you be HAPPY that she's the replacement? If the Democratic voters were really upset about how their new candidate was selected, I'd think they'd stay home in protest and not vote for her. 

Unfortunately, I think I know what is really happening here. You're all just mad that the playbook got flipped. As long as Biden was in the race, you could be happy about your guy facing the old, senile candidate. Now your guy is the old, senile candidate. 

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« Reply #38079 on: October 17, 2024, 11:47:03 AM »
I'm not voting for either and I'm also not concerned about how she was selected.  I don't know what else could have been done realistically.  I would be apathetic about it, but I don't care enough to be so.

 

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