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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36736 on: August 24, 2024, 05:24:55 PM »
Anyway, it's time to go hit the pool for a bit, then get ready to feast on fancy seafood and steaks.  Sure am glad the economy's so good, so I can spend obscene amounts of money on dinner for the inlaws!
Now that I have seen that menu and we have discussed it. I’m going to wanna report tomorrow and what you actually ordered lol
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« Reply #36737 on: August 24, 2024, 06:37:00 PM »
Eh, the suggestion that "illegal immigration is high because the economy is good" isn't a fact, just another opinion. 

The US economy is pretty much always better than the economies are, in the countries where the illegal immigrants are coming from.
While absolutely true, the point I made remains.  Longhorn's need to accept something as true for it to be true is the problem.  He'd have his limbs removed by a sword and insist it's only a flesh wound. 

His wording is revealing.
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« Reply #36738 on: August 24, 2024, 06:40:53 PM »
Is the relative difference in economies from the places the illegal immigrants are coming from, compared to the US, greater during those periods?  Is the delta in that difference large enough to be statistically significant?

Without digging any deeper than you have, I'll suggest that there's ALWAYS an extremely large backlog of illegal immigrants that desire to come into the US.

So, whether they get in or not, is related to something else.

That's MY hypothesis, nobody should claim it as "true." :)

Soo I guess they just gather at the wall-less border in economic downturns, waiting to enter when things improve?
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« Reply #36739 on: August 24, 2024, 06:43:35 PM »
Fair, but lh320 assuming I've entered the "twilight zone" is just as silly. Possibly even more silly, because at least I backed up what I was saying with evidence and argument. His retort was emotion and "TREASON!!!"


I consider that flying illegals to destinations in the US in the dead of night to not be observed as an act of treason


It  not only violates his oath of office but is an attempt fix future elections
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« Reply #36740 on: August 24, 2024, 06:46:50 PM »
crazy story, Pavel Durov a Russian tech billionaire often referred to as the Russian Mark Zuckerberg arrested in France today after his private jet landed. France is arresting him because: he won't censor and turn over his telegram app to them to let them control and censor it.

Durov started two highly successful social media companies/apps. First he founded VK (comparable to a "Facebook of Russia" apparently) which became extremely successful in Russia and made Durov incredibly wealthy. The Russian government was trying to force him to censor people on the app in 2014, and he very publicly refused to do so. The Russian government was pressuring the company to hand over the personal data of users to Russia's security agencies and to block political opposition leader Alexei Navalny's page on VK. Durov refused, the company forced him out and the Russian government forced him to sell the company and threatened him with prison- and he fled Russia for Saint Kitts and Nevis and then later Dubai.

He also founded Telegram with his brother, a social/media chat app very similar to WhatsApp, with end to end encryption, which became very popular and made him even more wealthy. In 2018 the Russian government banned Telegram from Russia because the company refused to cooperate with state security services. Russia later lifted the ban in 2020 after Telegram agreed to "counter terrorism and extremism" on the platform. I.e. censor.

The guy was just arrested today in France as soon as he stepped off the steps of his private jet by French military forces due to an arrest warrant issued by the French National Judicial Police and faces up to 20 years in a French prison and is accused of "not taking any action in his Telegram app, where serious crimes, including drug trafficking, crimes against children, and fraud, occur frequently." Not censoring.

France is no better than Russia when it comes to freedom of speech & expression. Fuck these Eurotrash dickwads. Why do we pay for their security? Can we kick France out of NATO again?

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« Reply #36742 on: August 24, 2024, 09:29:26 PM »
Yeah, I'd be sliding down that thing, the smoke is probably hundreds of degrees.
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« Reply #36743 on: August 24, 2024, 09:37:19 PM »
Looks like Tommy Chong is in the other room
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« Reply #36744 on: August 25, 2024, 06:36:36 AM »
Soo I guess they just gather at the wall-less border in economic downturns, waiting to enter when things improve?
No, they gather in holding cells on the US side of the border as they are discovered and collected. 

Sometimes they're turned back.  Other times they're allowed access to the USA more freely.

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« Reply #36745 on: August 25, 2024, 08:01:10 AM »
I find the immigration topic difficult to understand, really.  It seems to have surged under Biden, it seems possible to me it was about imagery.  The coyotes et al. presented folks with the idea that Biden would loosen the border a lot, so they got a lot more business.  Whether Biden DID anything substantive was irrelevant, or les relevant.  

The border crossers mostly seem to be advised to find BP and "register".  I'm not sure any economic disparity between here and "Venezuela" was worse than usual, it's large any time.  We have rather bizarre immigration laws anyway.  Once a person is IN the country, undocumented, he or she is not breaking any laws.  You can't really deport them until they do, merely existing here is not illegal currently.  Folks come in with student visas and like it here and over stay, It's NOT illegal.  Currently, as I understand the law. 

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« Reply #36746 on: August 25, 2024, 09:48:44 AM »
"Americans remember how they feel. They remember how they feel. They want to feel excited, safe, joyful, optimistic and a lot of that results from policy," he said. 

"As it relates to policy, yeah, we have a border crisis. I’ve seen it twice with my own eyes. We also have to be a welcoming country, as Ronald Reagan would say," Phillips said. "We have to be a country that has an economy that works for people. Sixty percent of people are living paycheck to paycheck. It doesn’t matter what party you are — we failed a lot of people. Our healthcare system is a mess. This is America."




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« Reply #36747 on: August 25, 2024, 09:53:08 AM »
I find it a lot easier to comment on problems than to propose effective practicable solutions.  Phillips maybe suggested some proposed solutions later, I don't know.


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« Reply #36748 on: August 25, 2024, 10:00:55 AM »
I find it a lot easier to comment on problems than to propose effective practicable solutions.  Phillips maybe suggested some proposed solutions later, I don't know.


He said, "we failed" and he is correct.
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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36749 on: August 25, 2024, 10:02:46 AM »
Liberals will claim they only failed because of Republicans in Congress, and they will fix everything if we vote them all in.

I tend not to believe politicians.

 

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