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Topic: OT-Politics Thread: please TRY to keep it civil, you damned dirty apes

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #36470 on: August 22, 2024, 11:03:13 AM »
I do indeed.

And I guess I can bend some on the value of government dictating things, spearheaded by unelected experts, in this case. Those things often get a bad rap, but maybe you can convince me otherwise.

(I do think one challenge is the maintaining property value thing. I can buy it on the commercial side, to a degree. But it's often cited as a goal of local government policy on the residential side, and that strikes me as something that frankly shouldn't be a goal of communal action)
There is far more accountability at the local level of government. Everyone watches like a hawk. If some community planner makes poor decisions that the elected counsel or board consistently disagrees with, that planner will be gone. And if not, the counsel or board gets voted out. And they know it. They have to govern for the people.

Sometimes they have to make tough decisions too, like allowing for an affordable housing solution. The best ones I've worked with have done a good job of working with developers to find solutions. In my old town, the counsel worked with my client on finding a suitable property, after turning her down on her original site.

It does not work that way with state and federal government, where it's their way or nothing.

There was one exception I've seen. I was working for a well-connected developer on a project along the Chicago River. The Army Corps twat told us in a meeting that it would take an Act of Congress to get the project done.

The local US rep for that area of Chicago and the two US Senators from Illinois called the Army Corps top boss.

The project got done. Act of Congress, I guess. And it's a fantastic project. We won awards for that one.

The twat still works for the Army Corps.
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« Reply #36471 on: August 22, 2024, 11:15:43 AM »
This makes zero sense. Sorry.
People are saying doing away with government regulation is "the government coming in to help."

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« Reply #36472 on: August 22, 2024, 11:17:10 AM »
It is a major major issue whether new houses are being built or not.  New houses have nothing to do with why couples stay in a large house.

This thing is laugably entertaining.

What Obama wants is low income housing being built in ritzy suburbs.
The math ain't mathin' for you on that

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« Reply #36473 on: August 22, 2024, 11:22:01 AM »
There was one exception I've seen. I was working for a well-connected developer on a project along the Chicago River. The Army Corps twat told us in a meeting that it would take an Act of Congress to get the project done.

The local US rep for that area of Chicago and the two US Senators from Illinois called the Army Corps top boss.

The project got done. Act of Congress, I guess. And it's a fantastic project. We won awards for that one.

The twat still works for the Army Corps.
I'm reading a book about LBJ and that old style of Chicago politics made me chuckle. 

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« Reply #36474 on: August 22, 2024, 11:23:06 AM »
The math ain't mathin' for you on that
Please tell me you don't believe that the land in Martha's Vinyard is cheap enough to do affordable housing.
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« Reply #36475 on: August 22, 2024, 11:24:08 AM »
I'm reading a book about LBJ and that old style of Chicago politics made me chuckle.
It's still the style in Chicago, in and in many other large cities.
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« Reply #36476 on: August 22, 2024, 11:25:48 AM »
Please tell me you don't believe that the land in Martha's Vinyard is cheap enough to do affordable housing.
I'm saying the movement of older couples out of homes isn't a real issue. The issue is the shortage of homes. People moving from one home to another does not address this issue. Building more homes does. Or having fewer people, I guess.

Also: re "affordable housing." I don't care about it at all. Affordability is determined by the market, not by hopes and dreams and titles.

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« Reply #36477 on: August 22, 2024, 11:30:36 AM »
I'm saying the movement of older couples out of homes isn't a real issue. The issue is the shortage of homes. People moving from one home to another does not address this issue. Building more homes does. Or having fewer people, I guess.

Also: re "affordable housing." I don't care about it at all. Affordability is determined by the market, not by hopes and dreams and titles.
A. Building more homes is determined by the market and location. If developers don't feel they can make money, they won't build homes. Government policy and regulations play a huge part in this.

B. This is simply not correct.

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« Reply #36478 on: August 22, 2024, 11:33:04 AM »
A. Building more homes is determined by the market and location. If developers don't feel they can make money, they won't build homes. Government policy and regulations play a huge part in this.

B. This is simply not correct.

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Well, "A" has been my entire point and "B" is I think a semantic argument, not a real one. Building homes and calling them "affordable" means nothing in the long run over whether they are actually affordable. Yes, you might call a project an "Affordable home" project compared to a "Luxury home" project, but the market determines who can actually afford them outside of government assistance.

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« Reply #36481 on: August 22, 2024, 11:37:06 AM »
It's still the style in Chicago, in and in many other large cities.
Probably small places too.

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« Reply #36482 on: August 22, 2024, 11:43:20 AM »
@MaximumSam ALL affordable housing developments involve government assistance - on the front end, not the back end.
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« Reply #36483 on: August 22, 2024, 11:43:58 AM »
Probably small places too.
Not in my experience. There are some, but it's rare.
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