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Incidentally I felt the same way about Biden.  We saw him in office, not much happened, good or bad.  If he'd been reelected to another term, my life would have continued pretty much completely unaltered.

Harris is a bit more of a wildcard but should she win, I don't suspect she'll get much done, either.

Huge difference depending on who wins and controls the other two branches.  Don’t kid yourself.  

No matter who wins- the world will not come to an end.   Hyperbole.  

Both would be a total embarrassment- one is a blowhard idiot mouth, the other dumb as a rock.  One is telling you what they want to do as far as fiscal policy, immigration, supporting law enforcement and has proven it to accurately reflect his beliefs.  The other is likely lying about what they want to do on most issues and RUNNING FROM well established, long held passionate beliefs on immigration, supporting law enforcement and may be telling the truth about continuing fiscal policy which clearly fueled inflation.   

They differ strongly on other issues such as abortion, transgender, education, and many other social issues.  

The biggest difference as far as effect on us is likely fiscal.   Oh, they will both spend.  But 1 will likely spend on revenue creating initiatives and the other on regulatory ( revenue curbing and progressive) initiatives.   Thats the track record.  

If Trump lose ( my bet says he does) he will certainly whine about it.  He learned it from the best, and really first candidate in modern times to question election results- Hillary.  

Huge difference depending on who wins and controls the other two branches.  Don’t kid yourself. 

No matter who wins- the world will not come to an end.  Hyperbole. 

Both would be a total embarrassment- one is a blowhard idiot mouth, the other dumb as a rock.  One is telling you what they want to do as far as fiscal policy, immigration, supporting law enforcement and has proven it to accurately reflect his beliefs.  The other is likely lying about what they want to do on most issues and RUNNING FROM well established, long held passionate beliefs on immigration, supporting law enforcement and may be telling the truth about continuing fiscal policy which clearly fueled inflation. 

They differ strongly on other issues such as abortion, transgender, education, and many other social issues. 

The biggest difference as far as effect on us is likely fiscal.  Oh, they will both spend.  But 1 will likely spend on revenue creating initiatives and the other on regulatory ( revenue curbing and progressive) initiatives.  Thats the track record. 

If Trump lose ( my bet says he does) he will certainly whine about it.  He learned it from the best, and really first candidate in modern times to question election results- Hillary. 

Al Gore too.

I don’t agree at all who say Trump didn’t do anything.  He did a lot. You may hate everything he did- but he did it.   

Otherwise Why did Biden run partially on “ reversing” so many Trump initiatives?  He followed through on it too.  What did he sign in his first week? Like over 100 executive orders reversing Trump initiatives.  Bragged about it too.   And they are still talking about it. Reverse the Trump tax cuts! Eliminate tariffs on unfair trade.  Pack the Supreme Court.  It’s a long list.   

Maybe you agree with doing all of that.  After all Trump is promising to reverse much of the Biden-Harris stuff.   Oil drilling and fracking, foreign affairs positions, fiscal policy that pushes green stuff and EVs too fast.   That list is long too.  

There are too many checks and balances for him to do much of anything.

Not really,  because as I've stated many, many, MANY times, we've already seen what Trump does when he's in office, and it's not particularly threatening and the world kept on spinning regardless.

I realize you have some fear that suddenly he's changed, but I don't, and I don't think many others share your fear. Why would he do anything differently this time?  I think it's more realistic to expect he'll maintain his status quo of being a loud-mouthed blowhard who doesn't actually get much done, rather than fear he'll change the person he's been for decades and THIS time really get in there and make some changes.

As I've said before, I think one of the biggest checks on him in his term was surrounding himself with a lot of actual serious government types who understand how things work. And that likely manifested in a lot of people telilng him "No, Mr President, you can't do that, it's unconstitutional / illegal / not within your scope of power." I personally believe he's going to surround himself with loyal yes-men who won't question what he does and will work very hard to implement whatever he wants. 

Checks and balances? Will it be Constitutional and within the scope of his powers, and legal? Does it matter? SCOTUS just granted him immunity if it's illegal. Has SCOTUS bought full in with the idea of the unitary executive? If so, I don't necessarily think they'll fight him on things that may not be within the scope of his powers. Will it matter if it's Constitutional? I'm not sure it will with this SCOTUS. 

Oh, and if he reissues Schedule F, it won't "drain the swamp" like he claims. It will allow him to fire anyone in the civil service who he determines is disloyal and fill their posts with other yes-men that will do his bidding. 

Listen, if he wins, I hope you two are right. You'd better hope I'm wrong. 

The "Trump tax cuts" were contrived by Congress.  I don't think Trump had any say at all in that.  He just signed the bill.

In my view, most of what he "did" was bluster and talk, not substance.  This wall notion on the border for example, mostly bluster, a few miles of new wall, nothing remotely like what was promised.  And yes, I agree Biden's main tactic was appearing to reverse most Trump initiatives, which I also view as bluster and bold talk meaning little.

I have to strongly disagree.    If it it was bluster, why were the Democrats apoplectic about it And so intensely focused on reversing all of it. Especially the border wall stuff.   Also, all the things that he did during Covid, which I understand a lot of people disagreed with, but there was a lot.

The "Trump tax cuts" were contrived by Congress.  I don't think Trump had any say at all in that.  He just signed the bill.

In my view, most of what he "did" was bluster and talk, not substance.  This wall notion on the border for example, mostly bluster, a few miles of new wall, nothing remotely like what was promised.  And yes, I agree Biden's main tactic was appearing to reverse most Trump initiatives, which I also view as bluster and bold talk meaning little.

Its like you were asleep and just woke up
The tax cuts was a central part of Trumps message as was a border wall
Its hard to construct a wall when the Dems voted against every mention of it
Its to Trumps credit that there was any wall construction at all