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The more years I exist, the more I think they simply never learned what hypocrisy means, and so with that ignorance, it's not such a big character flaw when you look in the mirror. 

The bible-thumping team is the team cool with Trump's words and actions.  It literally makes no sense.

Words and actions in his official capacity. Outside of that, they just hold their noses.

Most experts agree that it will be overturned. It's just a convenience right now for team 46.

I'm not gonna play in that sandbox.

Do most experts? I feel like I’ve seen a mixed bag, just because of how tricky appeals can be. 

I put a lot of stock in Alan Dershowitz - a liberal and noted Trump hater.

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Dershowitz said he was unclear what exactly the crimes Trump was convicted of were. 

"I still don’t know what he was convicted of," he said. "Was he convicted of intent to cheat on his taxes two years later, although he didn’t take it as a deduction? Was he convicted of defrauding voters, who obviously knew that he was a sexual scoundrel?"

"Was he convicted of seeking to make an illegal campaign contribution, although the contribution didn’t have to be listed until after the election?" Dershowitz asked.

"I have never seen a case where, even after the verdict came down, we don’t know what he was convicted of," Dershowitz continued. "No one in history — in history — has ever been convicted of failing to disclose hush money payments paid to somebody."


"Why would anybody pay hush money if they had to disclose it?" he asked. "This is a case where the prosecutor simply decided to get Trump."

The more years I exist, the more I think they simply never learned what hypocrisy means, and so with that ignorance, it's not such a big character flaw when you look in the mirror. 

The bible-thumping team is the team cool with Trump's words and actions.  It literally makes no sense.

Maybe the voters are just tired of the continual embarrassment on the world stage

There's no candidate, and no platform, and no party, that represents 100% of my views.  I'm sure this is true of many if not most people.

So the best I can do is find ways to prioritize my values, and vote for candidates that come closest to representing those prioritized values, for the purposes of whatever office or function we're electing.

This means that I'm sometimes (or, likely, always) going to be voting for someone who doesn't reflect my own values in every sense, but I've chosen to vote for that person because in the ways I find most important for that function or office, we are in agreement.  There might be things about that person I really dislike personally, but I'm not voting in a popularity contest, I'm voting  for that candidate to conduct policy in a manner consistent with my views.

And of course I prioritize different things depending on the level of office.  For a president, their take on foreign policy is going to be probably the most important priority for me.  For city mayor, I'm going to care a lot more about their approach to homelessness and traffic issues.

There's no candidate, and no platform, and no party, that represents 100% of my views.  I'm sure this is true of many if not most people.

So the best I can do is find ways to prioritize my values, and vote for candidates that come closest to representing those prioritized values, for the purposes of whatever office or function we're electing.

This means that I'm sometimes (or, likely, always) going to be voting for someone who doesn't reflect my own values in every sense, but I've chosen to vote for that person because in the ways I find most important for that function or office, we are in agreement.  There might be things about that person I really dislike personally, but I'm not voting in a popularity contest, I'm voting  for that candidate to conduct policy in a manner consistent with my views.

And of course I prioritize different things depending on the level of office.  For a president, their take on foreign policy is going to be probably the most important priority for me.  For city mayor, I'm going to care a lot more about their approach to homelessness and traffic issues.

Exactly this. I will never NOT vote. That is an absolute.

I don't have to worry about it