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« Reply #2912 on: February 24, 2021, 01:05:43 PM »
WE WANT THE FREEDOM TO ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO DIE!
Compare and contrast.


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« Reply #2913 on: February 24, 2021, 01:13:12 PM »

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« Reply #2914 on: February 24, 2021, 01:58:05 PM »
Wonder why Iron Workers had/have a high rate of alcoholism
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« Reply #2915 on: February 24, 2021, 02:03:44 PM »
The question is whether there are enough Democrats who are so pissed off after lockdowns, after school closings, after his smarmy ass got caught violating his own lockdown, to peel off and vote to recall.

I don't think it's clear that he'll survive.
There should be a federal mandate that sends the Rot like him to the pokey.Could have solidified local power so they can't be touched.And send Eva Braun Aunt Nancy to the same cell block as Martha Stewart enjoyed
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« Reply #2916 on: February 24, 2021, 02:07:38 PM »
Landau Genius Scale ranking of the smartest physicists ever - Big Think

Interesting, Einstein and Bohr thought of Dirac as being very smart.

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« Reply #2917 on: February 24, 2021, 02:34:09 PM »
His situation is the exact reason I never want to be in a leadership position with adults.  You try to do the right thing, you get spit on.  You go with the popular thing, things inevitably go awry, you get spit on. 
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Anytime a person in power tries to be responsible when the masses don't want to be, they get ass-canned.
Eh. I realize you guys aren't as tied in to how it went down here in CA, but it's not that he got in trouble for "trying to do the right thing".

Dude was flailing. I honestly think he got the initial lockdown right... And then got everything else wrong. 

It'd be one thing if I could say, as someone who has followed this stuff closely, that he was following the science in what he was doing. But he wasn't. It was like every time the numbers changed, he locked down without really evaluating WHERE the risks were. Shutting down outdoor dining, haircuts (everyone masked), nail salons (everyone masked), when there was no evidence that those were primary avenues of spread. Kowtowing to the teachers unions who didn't want to return to schools when all the science said that schools weren't the primary avenues of spread. 

Then he lost the PR battle. Whole counties--including many high population counties--basically said they just refused to enforce anything Newsom said. He ended up getting into a kerfluffle over Thanksgiving gatherings--which is something that he needed to say--but did so in such a tone-deaf way that he came off looking like an ass. And then the French Laundry thing happened which made him look like a GIANT hypocrite, and like there was a different set of rules for the elites than us lowly serfs.

The issue is that when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. His only tool was a lockdown, so everything looked like a lockdown opportunity. But people got sick of it, got sick of him, and then just simply tuned him out. 

If he had been a lot more forthcoming and treated Californians like adults, focusing on the key avenues of spread and trying to convince us that we need to mediate our behavior to avoid it, I think it would have gone better. Instead he treated us like children and any time the cases rose, told us we were grounded--while he went off and played. 

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« Reply #2918 on: February 24, 2021, 02:39:32 PM »
Eh. I realize you guys aren't as tied in to how it went down here in CA, but it's not that he got in trouble for "trying to do the right thing".

Dude was flailing. I honestly think he got the initial lockdown right... And then got everything else wrong.

It'd be one thing if I could say, as someone who has followed this stuff closely, that he was following the science in what he was doing. But he wasn't. It was like every time the numbers changed, he locked down without really evaluating WHERE the risks were. Shutting down outdoor dining, haircuts (everyone masked), nail salons (everyone masked), when there was no evidence that those were primary avenues of spread. Kowtowing to the teachers unions who didn't want to return to schools when all the science said that schools weren't the primary avenues of spread.

Then he lost the PR battle. Whole counties--including many high population counties--basically said they just refused to enforce anything Newsom said. He ended up getting into a kerfluffle over Thanksgiving gatherings--which is something that he needed to say--but did so in such a tone-deaf way that he came off looking like an ass. And then the French Laundry thing happened which made him look like a GIANT hypocrite, and like there was a different set of rules for the elites than us lowly serfs.

The issue is that when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. His only tool was a lockdown, so everything looked like a lockdown opportunity. But people got sick of it, got sick of him, and then just simply tuned him out.

If he had been a lot more forthcoming and treated Californians like adults, focusing on the key avenues of spread and trying to convince us that we need to mediate our behavior to avoid it, I think it would have gone better. Instead he treated us like children and any time the cases rose, told us we were grounded--while he went off and played.
Great post.

And yes, he (and almost everyone else) got the initial lockdown right. Then, he just lost it. 
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« Reply #2919 on: February 24, 2021, 02:39:50 PM »
My step son said restaurants in SF spent money to outfit for outdoor dining, and then that was forbidden.  Then the homeless took up residence and littered the place and the restaurants were fined for that.  This sort of inconsistency and failure to adapt is fairly glaring, and the results of these lockdowns is not impressive either.

Them there is the issue of getting his clothes cleaned at some French place, who would do that?

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« Reply #2920 on: February 24, 2021, 02:50:34 PM »
Ah, well he acted stupidish, then.  
Maybe we Americans aren't great at picking leaders.
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« Reply #2921 on: February 24, 2021, 02:50:50 PM »
There should be a federal mandate that sends the Rot like him to the pokey.Could have solidified local power so they can't be touched.And send Eva Braun Aunt Nancy to the same cell block as Martha Stewart enjoyed
Way to keep it objective.
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« Reply #2922 on: February 24, 2021, 03:36:39 PM »
Ah, well he acted stupidish, then. 
Maybe we Americans aren't great at picking leaders.
We? We who?

Any comment on my post above, citing actual data?
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« Reply #2923 on: February 24, 2021, 03:47:07 PM »
Ah, well he acted stupidish, then. 
Maybe we Americans aren't great at picking leaders.
Democracy is definitely the worst form of government...

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« Reply #2924 on: February 24, 2021, 04:01:19 PM »
I have little good to say about any politician.  Mike Dewine did attend my son's internment as Senator at the time along with Steve Chabot.  I appreciated that, Dewine later made a speech on the empty Senate floor and sent me the video.  And he wrote a letter of recommendation for my kid's application to law school.  We exchanged a couple personal  letters.  So, he seems like a nice human being.  For a politician.

People who appear to believe that all/most politicians of this party are great and all/most of that party are evil are in my view highly mislead and ridiculous, but a fair number of folks feel that way.  And yes, the problem is how else to choose "leaders".

I'm generally for a qualified franchise, folks should be able to pass a simple written test on government in  my view to be allowed to vote.  We ask that of people becoming naturalized citizens.

Maybe with that the discourse could improve a little bit.  But that's not going to happen of course.


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« Reply #2925 on: February 24, 2021, 04:13:25 PM »
Democracy is definitely the worst form of government...

...except for all the others.
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