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« Reply #18634 on: August 17, 2022, 09:35:13 AM »
We have all sorts of stringent trade restrictions with all sorts of countries out there. This is nothing new. I spent several years supporting Export Controls for the extremely large computer manufacturing company that I currently work for---  the government has no problem restricting trade when it desires to do so.  And companies always manage.

In many ways cutting trade ties with China is simple for us-- far simpler than it would be for many other countries.  In the grand scheme, we don't export all that much in finished goods to China.  Indeed, by their own design, China imports very little from anyone.  On the flipside, China relies heavily on exports to the USA and the West.  So from the perspective of trade balance, severing all ties with China would hurt them a lot more than it would hurt us.  Sure we'd need to develop new partners to fill the gap, but there are no shortage of more amicable partners globally, willing and able to do so.

The trickiest part, is untangling our own US-owned corporate manufacturing dependence from China.  But as we've discussed here several times, for several reasons, China is no longer considered a Low Cost Manufacturing Nation for a majority of the goods that US companies have outsourced there.  There are now numerous countries that can manufacture at lower costs, and that don't involve the omnipresent CCP... entanglements... that US companies must currently endure.

It took decades to get this mixed up with China, and it would take a long time to disentangle.  But it's not impossible, far from it.  Many companies are already engaged in the first steps.  The current challenges with the global supply chain, many of which originate in China, have put domestic companies on red alert.  It's not being taken lightly.
Time to start the process, however painful it may be.
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« Reply #18635 on: August 17, 2022, 09:56:33 AM »
Time to start the process, however painful it may be.
Fair enough. As long as we are ready for the pain, is what it is. 

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« Reply #18636 on: August 17, 2022, 10:14:12 AM »
It has to be done. There is no choice here.
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« Reply #18637 on: August 17, 2022, 12:06:37 PM »
Many things have to be done, but aren't, and there are consequences as a result.  It is said I have to pay taxes, but in reality, I don't.  Bad things happen if I don't.


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« Reply #18638 on: August 17, 2022, 01:07:33 PM »
I found and purchased sriracha at my local grocery store yesterday.

Whew, crisis averted.
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« Reply #18639 on: August 17, 2022, 02:02:58 PM »
The first ketchup is centuries old … and very different.
The story of how that red tomato-based sauce made by a company in Pittsburgh ended up in your fridge actually starts with a fish sauce in China. Yes, really. According to the History Channel,  a fish sauce referred to as "ge-thcup" or "koe-cheup" in the local southern Chinese dialect likely served as the starting point for ketchup's long, winding journey to its present form. Though its exact age is hard to pin down, but some food scholars argue that some version of this type of fish sauce may be more than two millennia old. The sauce that served as a starting point for modern ketchup was effectively a fermented paste derived from fish entrails and soybeans lauded for particularly strong pungence, and ability to hold up over the course of a long journey at sea.
It was precisely that last quality, in addition to its satisfyingly salty taste, that made the condiment an appealing commodity for British sailors along trade routes in southeast Asia. By the 1700s, this fermented fish paste had won enough of them over that they endeavored to bring it back home to England. In a preview of what was to come, the recipe was quickly bastardized, which I guess will happen when you're taking a condiment halfway around the world in the early 18th century. One contemporary recipe from 1736 called for reproducing the condiment by boiling "two quarts of strong, stale beer and half a pound of anchovies," which is then left to ferment.

In 1800s England, Ketchup was anything you wanted it to be.
Thankfully, ketchup's recipe has evolved from "mix stale beer with anchovies," but not without a circuitous route to its present form. Ketchup had caught on in England (and in the US) by the 19th century, but there wasn't a whole lot of consensus about how it should be made.
As a result, cooks could (and definitely did) make their own take on ketchup derived from all sorts of ingredients that we would hardly associate with the fast food items and backyard cookout staples we douse with ketchup today. We're talking oyster ketchup. Walnut ketchup. Lemon ketchup. Heck, even peach and plum served as the base for a ketchup. Pride and Prejudice author Jane Austen was known to be particularly fond of a certain mushroom ketchup recipe.
While these ketchups were either boiled into a sort of syrup or salted and left to ferment, they usually had something in common: an intensely salty and spicy flavor. It may have been a bit intense on the palate, but its longevity before spoiling certainly helped drive its adoption.



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« Reply #18640 on: August 17, 2022, 02:26:31 PM »
I like ketchup on a hot dog, so long it's yellow and made from vinegar and mustard seeds.
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« Reply #18641 on: August 17, 2022, 02:34:56 PM »
Kids prefer it, in general, I find.  Adults tend to prefer a more ... vinagery profile?

I rarely eat hotdogs any more but I like'em.  Onion, slaw, sauerkraut, mustard, I can tolerate some relish but don't relish it.


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« Reply #18642 on: August 17, 2022, 02:46:13 PM »
On eggs, if there's no salsa.  That's it

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« Reply #18643 on: August 17, 2022, 03:27:12 PM »
Eggs?
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« Reply #18644 on: August 17, 2022, 03:42:06 PM »
On eggs, if there's no salsa.  That's it
I have found a little feta cheese does wonders

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« Reply #18645 on: August 17, 2022, 03:42:13 PM »
I like salsa on eggs, a lot, but not ketchup.

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« Reply #18646 on: August 17, 2022, 04:18:59 PM »
On eggs, if there's no salsa.  That's it

Does not compute.  There is always salsa.

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