In other news (apolitical thread)...

[Gigem]

I was looking through some team records the other day.  There are teams out there that are 6-1 and 7-0, now maybe 7-1 that are not ranked, and teams that are 6-2 that are ranked.  

[utee94]

I was looking through some team records the other day.  There are teams out there that are 6-1 and 7-0, now maybe 7-1 that are not ranked, and teams that are 6-2 that are ranked. 

SOS matters.
But of course, there are also teams ranked #3 that have a lower SOS than teams ranked #20.

[betarhoalphadelta]

I get that the conference vs OOC thing is realistic, but I don't think it is very useful here.

We all want the games to matter, but when h2h is 8.3% of a season, how is holding it over 91.7% of the season wanting the games to matter?

Again, this is why I asked you to bound the question. Please be more specific. You're making a claim that someone is holding H2H over something, perhaps "bad losses".

My questions... WHO is holding H2H over other factors unfairly? In what circumstances? With what negative effects?

If you can't be more specific, we can't meaningfully engage your question.

I.e. if you made the charge, "I believe the CFP selection committee is overweighting H2H results and here are multiple examples", we can have a very fruitful discussion.

But for now it's just a nebulous accusation that someone, somewhere, is weighting H2H over more important but barely named factors. That's not enough to engage because none of us can actually be sure what the claim even is.

[OrangeAfroMan]

Again, this is why I asked you to bound the question. Please be more specific. You're making a claim that someone is holding H2H over something, perhaps "bad losses".

My questions... WHO is holding H2H over other factors unfairly? In what circumstances? With what negative effects?

The consensus seems to be to hold h2h more than any other outcome, even when things aren't equal.  But when teams have equal records, the masses tend to treat that as all else being equal (a separate issue).

It's hard to make it more specific when the idea is held by the masses, lol.  

When we have a tie at the top of a conference, the h2h winner tends to have a worse loss.  That means their performance has more variance than the other team:  higher ceiling AND lower floor.  Is a higher-variance team more likely to have had a better season?  Isn't it better to be a lower-variance team (ie - consistent, reliable)?  Why not reward that team with the tie-breaker?

[FearlessF]

[utee94]

Hey @847badgerfan , my daughter is applying to Wisconsin!  She's come back around to being interested in veterinary medicine, and Wisconsin was recommended by a vet friend of ours.  She also thinks she likes the idea of different weather. Boy would she be shocked!

Anyway I encouraged her to do it, and also encouraged her to apply for tons of scholarships because that's the only way she's going to be able to afford the out of state delta...

[SFBadger96]

Hey @847badgerfan , my daughter is applying to Wisconsin!  She's come back around to being interested in veterinary medicine, and Wisconsin was recommended by a vet friend of ours.  She also thinks she likes the idea of different weather. Boy would she be shocked!

Anyway I encouraged her to do it, and also encouraged her to apply for tons of scholarships because that's the only way she's going to be able to afford the out of state delta...

Awesome--it's a great place to spend a few years as a young adult. And yeah, the weather will be dramatically different, but young people can do anything for a few years.

[FearlessF]

The highest-rated veterinarian college in the USA is the University of California, Davis (UC Davis) School of Veterinary Medicine. Rankings from multiple sources, including U.S. News & World Report and QS World University Rankings, consistently place UC Davis at the top for its comprehensive programs, research, and clinical care. 
UC Davis: Located in Davis, California, this school is frequently cited as the number one veterinary school in the US. It is known for its cutting-edge research, large teaching hospital, and diverse patient caseload.
Other top-rated schools: Other universities consistently ranked among the top veterinary schools include Cornell University, Colorado State University, and Ohio State University.


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better weather in Cali

[SFBadger96]

The highest-rated veterinarian college in the USA is the University of California, Davis (UC Davis) School of Veterinary Medicine. Rankings from multiple sources, including U.S. News & World Report and QS World University Rankings, consistently place UC Davis at the top for its comprehensive programs, research, and clinical care. 
UC Davis: Located in Davis, California, this school is frequently cited as the number one veterinary school in the US. It is known for its cutting-edge research, large teaching hospital, and diverse patient caseload.
Other top-rated schools: Other universities consistently ranked among the top veterinary schools include Cornell University, Colorado State University, and Ohio State University.


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better weather in Cali

Davis is also a good college town...but it ain't Madison. Or Ann Arbor. Or Chapel Hill. Or Charlottesville. Or Boulder. Or Athens. Or Austin.

[utee94]

The highest-rated veterinarian college in the USA is the University of California, Davis (UC Davis) School of Veterinary Medicine. Rankings from multiple sources, including U.S. News & World Report and QS World University Rankings, consistently place UC Davis at the top for its comprehensive programs, research, and clinical care. 
UC Davis: Located in Davis, California, this school is frequently cited as the number one veterinary school in the US. It is known for its cutting-edge research, large teaching hospital, and diverse patient caseload.
Other top-rated schools: Other universities consistently ranked among the top veterinary schools include Cornell University, Colorado State University, and Ohio State University.


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better weather in Cali

She's also applying to UC-Davis. And NC-State, and Florida, and of course Texas A&M.  All of which are highly regarded as vet schools.

She's automatically in at Texas A&M as a Texas resident in the top 10% of her class.  We'll see how she does with the others.  Her GPA and SAT are highly competitive, so she'll have a good chance at getting in everywhere she applies.

She applied to Texas too, and she'll have auto-admission there as well, due to being top 5%. But that was really just to make her dad and grandparents happy.  UT doesn't have a specific pre-vet or animal science program.   

[FearlessF]

Davis is also a good college town...but it ain't Madison. Or Ann Arbor. Or Chapel Hill. Or Charlottesville. Or Boulder. Or Athens. Or Austin.

Colorado State University, Fort Collins doesn't suck

and Ohio State University, truck stop.

[MrNubbz]

Hey @847badgerfan , my daughter is applying to Wisconsin!  She's come back around to being interested in veterinary medicine, and Wisconsin was recommended by a vet friend of ours.  She also thinks she likes the idea of different weather. Boy would she be shocked!

Even if she just goes for a visit at least she'll learn how to cook Brats proper

[MrNubbz]

Colorado State University, Fort Collins doesn't suck

and Ohio State University, truck stop.

Since you couldn't cut it in Lincoln maybe one of those trucks stops will put you to work - if ya don't mind portaling

[utee94]

Yeah Ohio State isn't on her list.  CSU is.  Her very best friend since kindergarten is applying there and they'd for sure be roommates if they both went.