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Topic: In other news (apolitical thread)...

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #448 on: February 20, 2025, 02:41:49 PM »
I think bwar has mostly made the point that it's not intentional, but rather a result of manufacturers producing cheaper and cheaper crap because that's all that the market will tolerate.  I'd tend to agree with that.  They don't need to plan for shorter product lifetimes and earlier product failures, when the customers are already insisting upon it through their buying choices.
Exactly.

I can price-shop batteries from my couch. Price and warranty are not the ONLY determinant of what battery I buy, but it's a pretty big consideration. 

They have some really nice looking AGM batteries on the Autozone web site that are $300+. I think it's a superior technology and they'd probably last longer than the $120 wet cell battery from Costco. But that's pointless for a vehicle that probably gets driven less than 2000 miles/year.

They also have wet cell batteries that have 3-year free replacement warranty for $210, compared to the $120 from Costco with a prorated warranty. Which means if the battery lasts 3+ years, I save $90. If the battery lasts between 2.25 and 3 years, I end up spending SLIGHTLY over $210, a max of $240, to have it replaced. If the battery fails in <2.25 years, the replacement battery cost will be less than $90 and I'll have spent less than $210. The only downside of replacing early is that the early replacement is likely on a prorated warranty, so it can start adding up if I have multiple batteries all failing in less than 3 years. 

And ultimately, we're talking about $120. I shouldn't overthink it--as I've obviously done already by typing all of that...

So in this case the economics of paying for potentially higher quality may not make the most sense, ESPECIALLY as I have no guarantee of higher quality as a lay consumer. 

Of course, it's moot because I just went out there to look at it and find out how old the battery was, and remove it for testing, and I noticed that one of the connections was loose. After tightening that down, it started right up lol...

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #449 on: February 20, 2025, 02:43:51 PM »
I thought about him last weekend when my water heater was out.  He asked me, seemingly incredulously, which of my appliances didn't have a good track record, I told him all of them, and then I think I was out for the holidays and didn't see his response.  But I'm certainly not imagining having to do work (or pay to have work done) on a slew of appliances that aren't but a few years old. 

Don't think my water heater was on that list, but at 1.5 years old, it quit working over the weekend.  Fortunately, whatever glitch it was having was just a computer glitch, and a quick flip of the breaker off and back on fixed it, and it began heating the water again. 

The old one I replaced was ~18 years old, and in today's world, I feel like that's more than I could've expected from a water heater.  Lot of people have told me theirs don't even last that long. 
I've been involved in managing rental property for almost 50 years so I have a LOT of experience with water heaters and my take is that it is extremely random. I have replaced 40 year old units and I've replaced five year old units.

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #450 on: February 20, 2025, 02:53:28 PM »
I've been involved in managing rental property for almost 50 years so I have a LOT of experience with water heaters and my take is that it is extremely random. I have replaced 40 year old units and I've replaced five year old units.

My grandma's has got to be 40+ years old.  It's gas tho, so I don't know if that makes any difference.  Mine's electric.  

All of her appliances are either hella-old, or they were hella-old when they finally got replaced in the relatively recent past.  I should be so lucky.

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« Reply #451 on: February 20, 2025, 03:07:18 PM »
My grandma's has got to be 40+ years old.  It's gas tho, so I don't know if that makes any difference.  Mine's electric. 

All of her appliances are either hella-old, or they were hella-old when they finally got replaced in the relatively recent past.  I should be so lucky.
Some of it is just random luck.  My mom called a couple years ago because her disposal quit.  I picked up a new one and installed it.  The unit I took out was from the 1970's so it lasted almost 50 years.  I've also replaced 5 year old disposals.  

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #452 on: February 20, 2025, 03:09:38 PM »
I've been involved in managing rental property for almost 50 years so I have a LOT of experience with water heaters and my take is that it is extremely random. I have replaced 40 year old units and I've replaced five year old units.
teensy bit of a stretch there, considering we were both born in '75.  ;)

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #453 on: February 20, 2025, 03:11:10 PM »
We had our washing machine replaced after 8 years, and I said that seemed insane.  My parents replaced theirs after like 20 years simply because they wanted a "nicer" one in 2006, and they've had the same one since.

The repairman we called said 8 years was right in the normal range now.  If you get more than 10, consider yourself lucky, and he's seen <5.

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« Reply #454 on: February 20, 2025, 03:19:42 PM »
We had our washing machine replaced after 8 years, and I said that seemed insane.  My parents replaced theirs after like 20 years simply because they wanted a "nicer" one in 2006, and they've had the same one since.

The repairman we called said 8 years was right in the normal range now.  If you get more than 10, consider yourself lucky, and he's seen <5.
We're looking at a new fridge after 5 years (this Fall). I'm out on Samsung for fridges. I'll look at Sub-Zero this time.

Yeah, I know. I might look at Thor.

When the Samsung DW fails, it's back to Bosch.
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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #455 on: February 20, 2025, 03:28:44 PM »
Exactly.

Of course, it's moot because I just went out there to look at it and find out how old the battery was, and remove it for testing, and I noticed that one of the connections was loose. After tightening that down, it started right up lol...
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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #456 on: February 20, 2025, 03:31:29 PM »
emails from Best Buy tell me they are having a big appliance sale

that's great but if my appliances are working properly, I'm not in the market
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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #457 on: February 20, 2025, 03:31:51 PM »
Batteries here in SE Texas last about 3 years.  Maybe 5 on the upper range, and 2 on the lower.  I have found that if you have one your not using at least daily, adding a solar cell trickle charger makes it last a really long time, like 7+ years.  

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #458 on: February 20, 2025, 03:39:56 PM »
We're looking at a new fridge after 5 years (this Fall). I'm out on Samsung for fridges. I'll look at Sub-Zero this time.

Yeah, I know. I might look at Thor.

When the Samsung DW fails, it's back to Bosch.

Our Samsung dryer has been nothing but problems.  Washer hasn't been great, but better than the dryer.  They wash and dry great when they're working, and they have a lot of cool features.  But they've had to be repaired a lot.  

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #459 on: February 20, 2025, 04:41:46 PM »
The washer sounds like a train wreck. Dryer is fine.

But the next set won't be Samsung, I can tell you that.

The only appliances from them that I like is my induction cooktop and the oven/mic combo.
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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #460 on: February 20, 2025, 04:51:46 PM »
I don't think I'll be getting any brand of side-loader for a washer in the future.  An appliance repairman told me they will usually have more repairs necessary and there's a reason for that, though I don't remember what it is.  They're less common these days, but top loaders are still sold, and that's probably what I'll get next. 

Main thing with the dryer is the circuitry keeps frying.  We try not to run it for more than a load at a time as they suggested, but it still poops out about every 18 months-2 yrs.  

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #461 on: February 20, 2025, 04:55:07 PM »
Yeah, we'll get a top loader next time. It's easier to retrieve clothing out of the front loader, but the tops are more reliable.

Everything we have is less than 5 years old (and made during Covid - coincidence??). 
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