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Gigem

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #308 on: February 13, 2025, 04:35:22 PM »
Smoking is so gross, you're doing yourself and everyone around you a huge favor.  Keep up the good work!
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« Reply #309 on: February 13, 2025, 04:47:44 PM »
And it's true. For most people, the more you exercise, the more hungry you are. The more hungry you are, the more you eat (to balance the extra calorie burn). And if you eat more, you won't lose weight. Your body wants you to stay in calorie balance.

There's that, and there's also the sheer math of the time for calorie in/calorie "out."  

Say a slice of cheesecake gets you 325 calories.  You eat it in a couple minutes.  It takes like 30-40 minutes running on a treadmill to burn 325 calories.  Add in a couple Famous Amos cookies and Cheetos throughout the day......nobody has any hope of spending that much time on a treadmill.  You could kill yourself on it and not even break even for a day with your snacks.  If you snack like I have a tendency to, anyway.  And that's not even counting working off some of the regular meals, which may need to happen.  

Back when I wanted to lose the 15 lbs, I was getting after it with my gym membership.  I was hustling.  It did all kinds of good for my greater health.  But it wasn't helping me lose the pounds.  My gf (now wife) told me about the uphill climb and told me the only way to get where I wanted to go was to cut back on the snacks and reduce my lunch and dinner portions.  

It took several weeks, but she was right.  Per usual.  

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #310 on: February 13, 2025, 04:49:00 PM »
Smoking is so gross, you're doing yourself and everyone around you a huge favor.  Keep up the good work!

Cigars?  

Cigarettes, sure, but I don't find smoking cigars to be very gross.  Though I myself don't smoke cigars.  

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« Reply #311 on: February 13, 2025, 04:57:31 PM »
Cigars? 

Cigarettes, sure, but I don't find smoking cigars to be very gross.  Though I myself don't smoke cigars. 

The cigar smell alone turns my stomach.  Nasty.

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« Reply #312 on: February 13, 2025, 05:00:32 PM »
Cigars? 

Cigarettes, sure, but I don't find smoking cigars to be very gross.  Though I myself don't smoke cigars. 
The cigar smell alone turns my stomach.  Nasty.
Yup, cigars smell even worse than cigarettes.

My grandfather used to smoke a pipe, and whatever tobacco he used, actually smelled okay.

But cigars and cigarettes, no way.  Totally gross.

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« Reply #313 on: February 13, 2025, 05:33:05 PM »
There's that, and there's also the sheer math of the time for calorie in/calorie "out." 

Say a slice of cheesecake gets you 325 calories.  You eat it in a couple minutes.  It takes like 30-40 minutes running on a treadmill to burn 325 calories.  Add in a couple Famous Amos cookies and Cheetos throughout the day......nobody has any hope of spending that much time on a treadmill.  You could kill yourself on it and not even break even for a day with your snacks.  If you snack like I have a tendency to, anyway.  And that's not even counting working off some of the regular meals, which may need to happen. 

Back when I wanted to lose the 15 lbs, I was getting after it with my gym membership.  I was hustling.  It did all kinds of good for my greater health.  But it wasn't helping me lose the pounds.  My gf (now wife) told me about the uphill climb and told me the only way to get where I wanted to go was to cut back on the snacks and reduce my lunch and dinner portions. 

It took several weeks, but she was right.  Per usual. 
Yeah, but I think it's more than that. 

Let's say you're at a stable weight, and you're trying to lose weight. You *should* be able to add exercise, which should put you into calorie deficit if you change NOTHING about your diet. My point is that very few people--unless they're consciously doing it--change NOTHING about their diet. 

My guess is that when you were getting after it at the gym, you were hungry, and you were increasing your calorie intake relative to what you did before you started in the gym. 

According to my Garmin app (which bases its estimate of calories on weight and heart rate from my watch), my BMR for the past year is an average of 2670 calories/day. That tracks with what various online calculators put it at for my weight, as well as the weight loss I experienced back when I counted calories, so that makes sense. But over the past year, all the exercise has meant that it is estimating that my average total calorie burn is 3,585 per day. A little over 900 extra calories per day average due to exercise. 

I've lost no weight over the last year. Because I eat whatever the hell I want, and my body wants... It wants... a lot! :57:

If I was eating like I am now and not burning 900+ active calories a day? I'd be a fat pig. But that's not likely. If I stopped the calorie burn, I'd be less hungry, and would probably start eating less. 

Your body is going to TRY to stay in balance. Which is why you can't ignore diet and only focus on exercise. Because when you burn more, you're naturally going to eat more. Unless you actively manage it, which is what your wife told you. And, she was right. As usual...

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #314 on: February 13, 2025, 05:37:44 PM »
@Gigem if you want to PM me with your thoughts, questions, perspectives, I'll be happy to respond (when I have time, which is not always, but I have enjoyed being back around here recently). Unless I'm not. But I'm unlikely to swear at you. (Unlikely, I've been known to slip.)
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« Reply #315 on: February 13, 2025, 05:56:54 PM »
Yeah, but I think it's more than that.


You're correct.  

What I mean to say re: the math on calories consumed vs. calories burned--suppose you're at a stable weight, and you don't exercise.  Let's say for some reason you can only pick one or the other.  You'll have a lot more success by trimming down the eating (and adding no exercise) vs. adding exercise (and not reducing calorie intake--which, as you pointed out, is unlikely to happen anyway).  

I only mean that suppose your truism of wanting more calories along with more exercise weren't there to hinder you (which it is).  Attacking the calories would still do more for weight loss than attacking the gym.  That obviously varies with how much time a person spends exercising, but as I say, the amount of exercise needed to lose weight without reducing calories is severe.  

Aaaaand.....as you've pointed out, it's highly unlikely to exercise that much and reduce calories....at least on accident.  

What I'm trying to say is we're both right, so stop arguing with me :)

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« Reply #316 on: February 13, 2025, 06:43:50 PM »

You're correct. 

What I mean to say re: the math on calories consumed vs. calories burned--suppose you're at a stable weight, and you don't exercise.  Let's say for some reason you can only pick one or the other.  You'll have a lot more success by trimming down the eating (and adding no exercise) vs. adding exercise (and not reducing calorie intake--which, as you pointed out, is unlikely to happen anyway). 

I only mean that suppose your truism of wanting more calories along with more exercise weren't there to hinder you (which it is).  Attacking the calories would still do more for weight loss than attacking the gym.  That obviously varies with how much time a person spends exercising, but as I say, the amount of exercise needed to lose weight without reducing calories is severe. 

Aaaaand.....as you've pointed out, it's highly unlikely to exercise that much and reduce calories....at least on accident. 

What I'm trying to say is we're both right, so stop arguing with me :)
LOL not arguing. It's more "violent agreement"...

My only point is that the math is the math. And the human psychology is the human psychology. Math-wise, increasing calorie burn should mean weight loss, because why would you increase calorie consumption? Psychology-wise, increasing calorie burn tends to increase calorie consumption. 

So whether you increase calories burned via exercise or you don't, you must pay attention to calories consumed if you're trying to lose weight. Increased exercise is a good thing, and you can actually increase exercise AND increase calorie consumption and still lose weight--as long as the increase of consumption is smaller than the increase in calories burned. But that's hard to do unless you're paying very close attention to the calories. 

I'd even argue that someone who is starting a new exercise routine but is trying to lose weight should target a MUCH smaller calorie deficit than someone who is JUST dieting. Because you're going to shoot yourself in the foot far more by pushing yourself into constant fatigue because you're not fueling the machine well enough than if you just try to go for say a 200 cal/day deficit instead of a 500 cal/day deficit. It's better to prioritize performance over weight loss, especially in the early stages, IMHO. 

But we agree. You can't lose weight without a calorie deficit. You can't rely on your subjective feeling of how much you should eat to create a calorie deficit, when you're heavily working out. So ultimately weight loss happens in the kitchen, not the gym. 

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #317 on: February 13, 2025, 07:37:07 PM »
@Gigem if you want to PM me with your thoughts, questions, perspectives, I'll be happy to respond (when I have time, which is not always, but I have enjoyed being back around here recently). Unless I'm not. But I'm unlikely to swear at you. (Unlikely, I've been known to slip.)
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« Reply #318 on: February 13, 2025, 09:58:14 PM »
my doc said that losing weight is only about number of calories consumed vs number of calories burned

which is what most of you are saying here

metabolism, fasting, gut health, carbs, sweets, not eating after 5pm, other tricks are only helpful if they help with less intake or more burning of calories

exercise is not easy for me, especially when it's below zero degrees
I need to find a routine to do something

I can maintain my weight by eating once a day before 7pm.  Limiting sweets and carbs.
I'm at a good weight - around 180, down from 200
I just want to be more physically fit and therefore more healthy  
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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #319 on: February 14, 2025, 07:38:59 AM »
my doc said that losing weight is only about number of calories consumed vs number of calories burned

which is what most of you are saying here

metabolism, fasting, gut health, carbs, sweets, not eating after 5pm, other tricks are only helpful if they help with less intake or more burning of calories

exercise is not easy for me, especially when it's below zero degrees
I need to find a routine to do something

I can maintain my weight by eating once a day before 7pm.  Limiting sweets and carbs.
I'm at a good weight - around 180, down from 200
I just want to be more physically fit and therefore more healthy 
@62 years of age, it's time to get started
180 seems …slim. How tall are you ? 

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« Reply #320 on: February 14, 2025, 08:00:37 AM »
LOL not arguing. It's more "violent agreement"...
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« Reply #321 on: February 14, 2025, 09:04:49 AM »
5'10"
36 waist. I'd rather get back to the 34" waist
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