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Topic: In other news (apolitical thread)...

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2534 on: October 01, 2025, 08:57:10 AM »
Looks like it would absolutely kill pedestrian activity anywhere one of those is installed.

I'd believe it works for better throughput of vehicles but that's not the only consideration at any intersection within an urban or suburban setting.

And as for the other benefit of original traffic circles-- increased safety due to fewer high speed collisions-- those u-turn lanes look highly prone to disastrous collisions.


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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2535 on: October 01, 2025, 09:11:54 AM »
I'm seeing a lot of that around here, but mostly all on limited access roadways.
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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2536 on: October 01, 2025, 09:21:50 AM »
Looking at the comments from people who've had these implemented for a while in various states and other countries, the responses are mixed, but the majority are negative.  

Traffic circles make a lot more sense to me.  I'm not sure what problem this RCUT intersection is trying to solve, but whatever it is, it appears to be introducing more new problems than it is solving.


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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2537 on: October 01, 2025, 09:25:31 AM »
There isn't room for circles in most urban/suburban intersections.  Circles are going up around here where there is room, and in one case where there is barely room.  I've seen a few where they are just a white dot in the middle about 5 feet in diameter.

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2538 on: October 01, 2025, 09:27:14 AM »
Looking at the comments from people who've had these implemented for a while in various states and other countries, the responses are mixed, but the majority are negative. 

Traffic circles make a lot more sense to me.  I'm not sure what problem this RCUT intersection is trying to solve, but whatever it is, it appears to be introducing more new problems than it is solving.


It results in no speed reduction on the mainline. Roundabouts result in speed reduction. You don't want that in many cases.

People like to bitch. Most of them are stupid.

You should see some of the comments on diverging diamond interchanges. In actuality, they are brilliant in solving traffic problems. People here hate them. They are stupid.
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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2539 on: October 01, 2025, 09:29:32 AM »
There isn't room for circles in most urban/suburban intersections.  Circles are going up around here where there is room, and in one case where there is barely room.  I've seen a few where they are just a white dot in the middle about 5 feet in diameter.
We have one of those. The design is so compact (and terrible), they had to post signs warning drivers to NOT try and share the roundabout with trucks.

It was not needed in the first place, and FDOT FUBR'd the design.
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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2540 on: October 01, 2025, 09:31:06 AM »
It results in no speed reduction on the mainline. Roundabouts result in speed reduction. You don't want that in many cases.

People like to bitch. Most of them are stupid.

You should see some of the comments on diverging diamond interchanges. In actuality, they are brilliant in solving traffic problems. People here hate them. They are stupid.
This RCUT looks terrible for all but through traffic on the mainline.  It looks dangerous and inefficient for everyone other than those on the mainline.  No stupidity with complaining about this one.  Build an overpass if mainline throughput is such a concern.

On the other hand, I love the diverging diamond interchange.  It makes sense for ALL traffic associated with that intersection, not just one group.  Complaining about those is indeed stupid.

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2541 on: October 01, 2025, 09:40:33 AM »
The state some 30 years ago built a four lane regular higher connecting Atlanta to Athens, good idea, it was needed.  It was not limited access (except the first 5 miles or so).  Now, the state is rebuilding it to make it limited access, costing more than it cost in the first place (by a lot) and it'll take a decade to complete (money).  GDOT back when thought having more regular four lanes was better than having half as many miles (or so) of limited access.  There are obviously a lot of accidents at at grade crossings because students tend to drive fast.

Their other enormous money sink is rebuilding interchanges and then toll express lanes, although the latter are privately funded, at incredible expense.

Folks around here often complain how they want MARTA expansion (often by folks who never ride MARTA).  The money for highways is not usable for MARTA expansion, which in any event is probably cost prohibitive anyway, so MARTA is spending a lot of money rebuilding their stations and replacing the old trains.

It mostly comes down to money, as usual, and there are no quick fix cheap solutions though folks clamor for them.  The original MARTA system was barely funded at the time (higher sales tax), the vote was close.  I'd hate to think how traffic would be had it failed.  In other news, the city redid a major one way road near us to reduce it from four lanes to two, with a new bike lane and landscaping, and the result has been disastrous, who knew?

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2542 on: October 01, 2025, 09:55:26 AM »
This RCUT looks terrible for all but through traffic on the mainline.  It looks dangerous and inefficient for everyone other than those on the mainline.  No stupidity with complaining about this one.  Build an overpass if mainline throughput is such a concern.

On the other hand, I love the diverging diamond interchange.  It makes sense for ALL traffic associated with that intersection, not just one group.  Complaining about those is indeed stupid.
Bridges are VERY expensive, and taxpayers don't want to pay more taxes. Bridges also create more intersections.

RCUT is a compromise. It's not a bad design at all.

Since I've lived here, I've come to realize that most drivers are very impatient, and I'm not sure why.

They have nowhere to go and all day to get there.
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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2543 on: October 01, 2025, 09:57:50 AM »
RCUT looks dumb AF.  I'll agree to disagree.


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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2544 on: October 01, 2025, 10:03:31 AM »
Sure. 

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2545 on: October 01, 2025, 10:04:58 AM »
I guess the pot has been stirred
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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2546 on: October 01, 2025, 10:17:51 AM »
Sure.



Yes, when you divert crossing traffic and force turning traffic a quarter mile out of the way and also force them to go through intersections 3 times in order to make a left turn, you're going to reduce the speeds and therefore the high speed traffic collisions.

That's not the only issue at an intersection.  RCUTs are inefficient by design.

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Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
« Reply #2547 on: October 01, 2025, 10:29:56 AM »
It's all about safety and $$.
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