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Topic: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?

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Badger1969

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #126 on: August 04, 2023, 06:28:11 PM »
IMO, The Big conference understands that football tv contracts supplies the income for all sports at the University.  But income from research keeps the educational reason for the school's to exist.

Other than Iowa and Nebraska, sports fans have professional teams to route for, so they aren't as opinionated to college football as the SEC fans.  (I am trying to be very diplomatic and no offense intended).

Anyway, to appease football fans and the University's in the Big my addiction for sports and research would be Washington, Stanford, Florida State and North Carolina. 

After that just for tv value it would be Miami and Notre Dame. 
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #127 on: August 04, 2023, 06:55:52 PM »
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #128 on: August 04, 2023, 07:32:01 PM »
https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/arizona-arizona-state-utah-join-big-12-leave-pac-12

From Brett McMurphy

BREAKING: Arizona, Arizona State & 2-time defending Pac-12 champion Utah joining Big 12 in 2024 pending Big 12 formal approval in next 24 hours.  Big 12 will be 3rd league w/at least 16 schools, while Pac-12 down to 4 schools
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #129 on: August 04, 2023, 07:53:34 PM »
Quote from: Badger1969 on August 04, 2023, 06:28:11 PM
Other than Iowa and Nebraska, sports fans have professional teams to route for, so they aren't as opinionated to college football as the SEC fans.  (I am trying to be very diplomatic and no offense intended).
this is actually a great point, bc as big as college football is- and it's the 2nd biggest sport in the US- it's still a midget compared to the NFL. 94 of the top 100 most watched live tv programs in the US in 2022 were live sports. Of those 94, 82 were NFL games and only 5 were college football games. 9 of the top 10 most watched? NFL games. The #9 most watched event and the lone non-NFL game? The President's state of the union address.  28 of the top 30 most watched programs? NFL games. The other lone non-NFL game? The Beijing Olympics at #30.

College football doesn't crack the list til #35 (UGA-Bama CFP Final), #36 (UGA-Ohio State CFP Semis), #41 (Michigan-TCU CFP Semis), #71 (Michigan-OSU- only regular season CFB game on the list), and #76 (OSU-Utah Rose Bowl).

College basketball final four tournament makes the list at #64 (UNC-Duke Final Four) and #65 (UNC-Kansas National Championship).

The four sporting events remaining in the top 100? #67 (Argentina-France World Cup Final), #86 (Kentucky Derby), #87 (Beijing Olympics Opening Ceremony), and #93 (US-England World Cup).

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #130 on: August 04, 2023, 08:13:48 PM »
The Big 12 was a little short sighted, adding a bunch of G5s in the not too distant past, as it turns out. 
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #131 on: August 04, 2023, 08:54:35 PM »
was holding out hope they wouldn't add Oregon and Washington and hold out for FSU/Miami/Clemson....ship has sailed...

might as well invite Stanford and squeeze ND's balls to join and get it over with and get to 20 at this point...
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #132 on: August 04, 2023, 09:35:55 PM »
What are the Big 12 divisions going to look like, with the Utes and the Arizona twins? 


https://twitter.com/utahathletics/status/1687637093957464064?s=20
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #133 on: August 04, 2023, 10:47:10 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 04, 2023, 08:13:48 PM
The Big 12 was a little short sighted, adding a bunch of G5s in the not too distant past, as it turns out.
Agreed. It’s gonna look really weird. 
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #134 on: August 04, 2023, 10:55:31 PM »
I disagree.  Without knowing the future and that the B1G was going to poach USC and UCLA to destroy the PAC, the B12 did the only thing it could to survive.  Adding those G5 schools, strengthening itself, and getting a better TV contract than both the PAC and the ACC, is precisely why it was in the position to throw a lifeboat to the PAC leftovers, after the B1G killed that conference

Sure it might look a little weird,  but that's the only reason it survived in the first place.
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #135 on: August 04, 2023, 11:15:17 PM »
this makes me think of how Fox winning the NFC package obliterated the CBS network affiliates for a number of years.

Well, the Pac did take a bite at the apple.
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #136 on: August 04, 2023, 11:59:45 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 04, 2023, 09:35:55 PM
What are the Big 12 divisions going to look like, with the Utes and the Arizona twins?


https://twitter.com/utahathletics/status/1687637093957464064?s=20
If I coached any other Big 12 school, I’d be real mad about that. 
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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #137 on: August 05, 2023, 12:26:13 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 02, 2023, 04:13:11 PM
As a Mountain Time Zone resident I was hoping that the Pac would add BYU and Boise, but now I have to root for Utah and the Arizona twins' migration to the craptastic Big 12.




It couldn't've happened without my help, rooting for it from my couch. The top 5 schools from the Mountain time zone, consolidated into one conference at last, for the first time ever. Plus the games will actually be on TV, unlike when four of them were in the Pac 12. 
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #138 on: August 05, 2023, 02:42:01 AM »
Big 12 benefited from timing too.  They basically reupped old contract with FOX/ESPN rather than negociate new ones.  Some thought they were leaving money on the table.  The PAC-12 took the opposite approach.  Since this year ended up being a really bad year to negociate a new contact (higher interest rates and profitably being bigger concerns than market share compared to a year ago), it hurt them a lot.

In a vaccum, the PAC-12 was probably similar value to the Big 12, but since it locked up early, secured funding that would be tougher later, and had an exit fees while the PAC-12 didn't, it was suddenly in position to attack and it had a commioner who understood it.

The turn around is still amazing though.  
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Re: Imminent Pac12 breakup, where do the schools go?
« Reply #139 on: August 05, 2023, 03:23:34 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 04, 2023, 08:13:48 PM
The Big 12 was a little short sighted, adding a bunch of G5s in the not too distant past, as it turns out.
Bided time and was necessary.  The PAC TV deal could have been close enough to the XII's so that nobody jumped ship.
Looking back, it wasn't shrewd, but as it was necessary, it worked out.
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