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Topic: Illinois (4-3, 6-4) at Michigan State (2-4, 4-5) Post Game

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ELA

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Illinois (4-3, 6-4) at Michigan State (2-4, 4-5) Post Game
« on: November 05, 2019, 12:03:21 PM »
Certainly didn't think Illinois would be coming in here riding so high, and MSU so low.  The weirdness of MSU's schedule, playing the conference's three best teams in a row, 2 on the road, but with their two bye weeks sprinkled in has made things feel a lot worse than they are, simply because it's been 5 weeks of misery.

MSU is still just #29 in SP+, nearly 20 spots higher than a ranked Wake Forest team, and 40 spots higher than a ranked San Diego State.

Now, no Joe Bachie for a defense that hasn't looked very good the last 11 quarters.  The team's leading WR, Darrell Stewart, who left the Penn State game with an injury, has also been ruled out, and Matt Allen adds to a miserable year of OL injuries.

Cody White needs to show up, and the staff needs to let Julian Barnett play more.
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Re: Illinois (3-3, 5-4) at Michigan State (2-3, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2019, 12:53:31 AM »
I would guess these teams are in virtual equipoise. In East Lansing, perhaps advantage MSU. Illinois has forced a lot of turnovers to keep them in games. It is a dangerous team. They brought in some transfers this year and I expected improvement. It took them a bit longer than expected to show improvement. So beware, I suspect Illinois is still improving.

MSU's offense is as moribund as Iowa's or perhaps even more so.

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Re: Illinois (3-3, 5-4) at Michigan State (2-3, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2019, 07:05:25 AM »
Trap game for Sparty?
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Re: Illinois (3-3, 5-4) at Michigan State (2-3, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2019, 07:15:16 AM »
Fascinating game really in the B1G, along with some others of course.  Is UIll for "real"?

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Re: Illinois (3-3, 5-4) at Michigan State (2-3, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2019, 09:51:17 AM »
Trap game for Sparty?
They aren't good enough to have trap games

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Re: Illinois (3-3, 5-4) at Michigan State (2-3, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2019, 04:57:36 PM »


Illinois Fighting Illini (3-3, 5-4) at Michigan State Spartans (2-3, 4-4)
3:30 - East Lansing, MI - FS1
I'm not sure if it's momentum, or recent expectations, but man, these two two teams, with similar records, could not feel farther apart.  That what happens when you have a five week stretch of playing the conference's three best teams, two on the road, with a pair of bye weeks sprinkled in.  The last time Michigan State fans saw their team have a pulse was now 6 weeks ago.  The Spartans still sit 30 spots higher in SP+ than the Illini, who are in the midst of their first three game winning streak of any type since 2011, and their first three game Big Ten winning streak since the 2007 Rose Bowl team.  If they can beat a reeling Michigan State team, it's their first 4 game conference winning streak since the 2001 Big Ten champion team won their final 7 after a Big Ten opener loss at Michigan.  I think this comes down to whether Illinois' defense is actually good, or just fake good.  Prior to this three game winning streak the Illini were on a 4 game losing streak, that included giving up 34 points to an Eastern Michigan team that ranks #10 in the MAC in scoring offense, and surrendered 40+ points in the other three games.  So did they fix something?  Well, against Wisconsin, they still allowed 420 yards, and only forced 2 punts.  They just also forced three turnovers, and were able to force Wisconsin to kick field goals, 4 of them.  Then they played Purdue, and their backup quarterback, in a driving rain, and then Rutgers.  And well, giving up 10 points to a Rutgers offense that had scored 14 points TOTAL in their first Big Ten games combined isn't exactly outstanding.  But is Michigan State's defense good?  Yeah, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Penn State are elite, but this defense held up against everyone last year, and just didn't get the offense to support them.  The Spartans defense looked in September to pick up right where they left off, but since the Indiana game, just haven't.  In conference play, the Spartans are #10 in scoring defense, #9 in run defense, #7 in pass defense, and #7 in total defense.  They are winning 1st and 2nd down, and then giving up 3rd down conversions at 43% of the time.  But, again that has been against 4 of the best offenses in the country.  If the Spartans can hang onto the ball, I think Illinois' defense is still bad.  Don't get me wrong, so is Michigan State's offense, but they've shown life, against Western Michigan, Northwestern and Indiana.  Not the stiffest competition, but probably better data points than Ohio State, Penn State and Wisconsin.  The Illini lead the Big Ten in turnover margin, and lead the nation in takeaways.  If Michigan State doesn't turn the ball over, they should have enough offense, for at least this week.
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Re: Illinois (3-3, 5-4) at Michigan State (2-3, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2019, 04:58:53 PM »
I look forward to being the only one commenting on this one in the SOC during LSU-Bama and Wisconsin-Iowa

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Re: Illinois (3-3, 5-4) at Michigan State (2-3, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2019, 03:38:52 PM »
Mike Panasiuk also appears to be out, and Illinois is without arguably their two best defenders as well

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Re: Illinois (3-3, 5-4) at Michigan State (2-3, 4-4) Game Week
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2019, 07:30:28 PM »
Not watching another game as long as Dantonio is the coach.  He has earned the right to retire, but if he is coaching next year, I'm out

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Re: Illinois (4-3, 6-4) at Michigan State (2-4, 4-5) Post Game
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2019, 07:42:19 PM »
You'll be back at it if he beats mich again next week.
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Re: Illinois (4-3, 6-4) at Michigan State (2-4, 4-5) Post Game
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2019, 07:43:57 PM »
Looking forward to looking back on all this,huh?Between the Transfers,suspensions,injuries MD has had the devils own day of it.But doing nothing with the staff is a dagger in the heart and some game time calls or not
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Re: Illinois (4-3, 6-4) at Michigan State (2-4, 4-5) Post Game
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2019, 08:40:49 PM »
You'll be back at it if he beats mich again next week.
Nope, done.  And staying close to Michigan, let alone beating them, just means Harbaugh should be fired.

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Re: Illinois (4-3, 6-4) at Michigan State (2-4, 4-5) Post Game
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2019, 08:48:43 PM »
Did you not suffer through all of those John L Smith and Bobby Williams seasons?
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Re: Illinois (4-3, 6-4) at Michigan State (2-4, 4-5) Post Game
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2019, 12:01:12 AM »
Wow, thought this was done.

 

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