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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #140 on: December 20, 2019, 02:16:18 PM »
before scholarship limits, there was a larger talent gap
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #141 on: December 20, 2019, 03:01:24 PM »
I think we need to limit OSU to 60 scholarships. That might help level the field in the Big Ten.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #142 on: December 20, 2019, 04:13:55 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 20, 2019, 03:01:24 PM
I think we need to limit OSU to 60 scholarships. That might help level the field in the Big Ten.
Maybe not, but maybe.  Their walk ons would be really good probably.  They'd lose some depth of course.

I can't recall the MAJOR upsets back in the day that we seem to have now, those 25+ point underdogs winning.
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« Reply #143 on: December 20, 2019, 04:44:38 PM »
Once players can profit off of their name, image, and likeness, I do wonder if some of the big schools may just expand their preferred walk on programs and have some way for boosters to cover expenses for those players without a scholarship.  Autographs, jersey sales, or something along those lines.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #144 on: December 20, 2019, 04:58:50 PM »
I think that is inevitable.  Someone mentioned car dealerships, which abound in larger college towns.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #145 on: December 20, 2019, 06:44:38 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 20, 2019, 01:29:23 PM
Was there a larger split in talent between elite teams in 1970 and middlin teams, or about like now?


Look up the AP Top 10 polls in the 70s.  I believe it was the most homogeneous decade ever.  ND, USC, Alabama, OU, OSU, Michigan, Nebraska and Texas were basically taking turns in the top 5 every year.  It was helmet program heaven.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #146 on: December 20, 2019, 06:45:56 PM »
Yeah, that is my recollection as well, a few other teams broke into the top ten at times.

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #147 on: December 20, 2019, 07:02:39 PM »
Well of course, but it was dominated by those teams.  Look:
1970-1979 by win%:
OU
Alabama
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn St
Ohio St
ND
USC
Texas
Arizona St
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Now look at the 80s:
Nebraska
Miami
BYU
OU
Clemson
Georgia
Penn St
Florida St
Michigan
Auburn
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #148 on: December 20, 2019, 07:53:32 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 20, 2019, 07:02:39 PM
Well of course, but it was dominated by those teams.  Look:
1970-1979 by win%:
OU
Alabama
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn St
Ohio St
ND
USC
Texas
Arizona St
.
Now look at the 80s:
Nebraska
Miami
BYU
OU
Clemson
Georgia
Penn St
Florida St
Michigan
Auburn

Do you mind posting it with the win% included?

Because as-is, you can make a claim that the helmets just changed. But if the overall win% of the teams in the top 10 dropped, then it would be an indication of more parity.
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« Reply #149 on: December 20, 2019, 08:53:08 PM »
I can, but the point stands.  It isn't merely different "helmets," the 70s list are timeless "helmet programs" in any era.  
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« Reply #150 on: December 20, 2019, 11:54:32 PM »
70s:
.877 OU
.863 Alabama
.847 Michigan
.820 Nebraska
.814 Penn St
.811 Ohio St
.805 ND
.803 USC
.770 Texas
.763 Arizona St
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80s:
.837 Nebraska
.832 Miami
.791 BYU
.773 OU
.767 Clemson
.758 Georgia
.756 Penn St
.752 Florida St
.752 Michigan
.731 Auburn
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8 teams at 80%+ vs 2.  
9 all-time 'forever' helmets vs 4.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #151 on: December 21, 2019, 12:44:55 AM »
Exactly. It suggests more parity in the 80s. There were still helmets, but they couldn't exert the same level of dominance.

Thanks for posting the win%. It really helps understand the difference between the rule changes. 
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #152 on: December 21, 2019, 09:06:15 AM »
I wouldn't have ASU in that listing. They were in the WAC for most of the 1970's. Same for BYU in the 1980's. All WAC.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #153 on: December 21, 2019, 11:09:59 AM »
I agree, but their inclusion doesn't affect the point being made.
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