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OrangeAfroMan

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If we didn't have a playoff...
« on: December 15, 2019, 04:29:21 PM »
I know we can just look at the committee poll and say "Clemson," but pre-playoff, there is no committee.  Clemson is the defending national champion that has a 28-game winning streak.  I tend to doubt pollsters would have demoted them, despite their weak schedule.
We all know LSU and OSU have better resumes.

So that's why I think it's poll-worthy.  What say you?
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2019, 04:31:08 PM »
Of course it would be Ohio State.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2019, 04:35:56 PM »
To a degree, it depends when. If it's 2001, maybe LSU. If it's 2008, when SEC had first dibs on a one-loss spot, obviously LSU. But yeah, Clemson is in.

Good thing there's a playoff.


EDIT: Actually, this brings up an interesting side thing. If there isn't a playoff, are we speaking glowingly of Clemson right now? IN my youth, every massive winning streak had all sorts of meaning heaped upon it. But these days, not so. 
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2019, 04:36:20 PM »
It would be Clemson.  We'd be parsing daylights out of schedule.   Clem beat A&M 24-10, LSU hung 50+.... they squeaked by UNC....beat nobody in top X.....etc.

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2019, 04:37:14 PM »
AP and Coaches polls both have LSU and Ohio St #1 and #2
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2019, 04:39:17 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 15, 2019, 04:37:14 PM
AP and Coaches polls both have LSU and Ohio St #1 and #2
Sure they do, because the CFP rankings are the rankings of record and those two polls reflect that. Same why they changed when it mattered who No. 2 was when the BCS came around. 
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2019, 04:44:17 PM »
yup, in the past Clemson might still be #1 in the AP and the Coaches
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2019, 04:45:26 PM »
Pre-FSU in 2014 (pre-playoff), yeah, the team with the long winning streak was put on a pedestal.  2014 was the first season I recall that the warts of the still-ongoing undefeated defending NC were discussed and shown through voters moving them down.

Big bad Miami in 2002.
Big bad Nebraska in 1996.
Big bad Miami in 1992.  

These teams' losses were so stunning because they were held on-high due to their winning streaks.  For FSU in 2014, we were all waiting for them to lose.  There's been a mental paradigm shift when it comes to this.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2019, 05:52:25 PM »
Clemson would be out, 99%.  The computers would bury them for one thing, and the polls have them at 3.  If we go pre-BCS, they wouldn't even face each other in a bowl game.  OSU would play Oregon, LSU would play maybe OU in the Sugar, and Clemson would play ... somebody in the OB.

If all three won, Clemson could call itself the "Second UCF National Champion".
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2019, 07:51:21 PM »
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2019/12/110226/final-mock-bcs-rankings-of-2019-season

In BCS land, it is not close.  Clemson out.   Thank god we aren’t doing that anymore.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2019, 08:33:49 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 15, 2019, 07:51:21 PM
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2019/12/110226/final-mock-bcs-rankings-of-2019-season

In BCS land, it is not close.  Clemson out.  Thank god we aren’t doing that anymore.
This remains built on the idea poll voters would have Clemson out knowing it would shut them out of the playoff. This feels like a poor assumption. Polls react to their context. 

it would be progressive as all heck to shut out Clemson in a BCS arrangement. But I would just be floored if it happened. 
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2019, 08:52:16 PM »
I'm guessing the undefeated reigning undefeated national champ has NEVER been ranked lower than 2nd in the final poll
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2019, 11:00:30 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 15, 2019, 08:52:16 PM
I'm guessing the undefeated reigning undefeated national champ has NEVER been ranked lower than 2nd in the final poll
But what if they are undefeated?
Double-undefeatedness aside, I suspect that you are right.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2019, 11:16:19 PM »
if they were a one loss national champ the previous season, they will remain #1 or #2 if they are undefeated
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