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Topic: If we didn't have a playoff...

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2019, 02:09:45 PM »
It would have inspired them to implement a 4 team playoff, which would eventually be expanded to 8.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2019, 02:13:52 PM »
Who are the two best teams between these three?

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2019, 02:16:34 PM »
From 1968 until the Bowl Alliance went into effect, the Orange Bowl included the Big 8 champion.  The other team was usually either the SEC runner-up or the ACC champ.
Clemson might have been playing OU in the Orange Bowl.
OTOH, there were times during the pre-Bowl Alliance era when special arrangements were made.  #1 Nebraska playing #2 Bama in the 1971 (season) Orange Bowl while #3 Big 8 runner-up OU played SEC runner-up Auburn in the Sugar Bowl is an example.
It depends who got to pick first. If it was the Sugar, they'd take Clemson.

The Orange Bowl was pretty loose after the XII came into play. Only after about 2002 or so did they make their perma-deal with the ACC, and they also had some sort of agreement with the Big East before that fell apart. Then the XII started going to the Fiesta a lot more often too.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2019, 02:18:07 PM »
If it was during the BCS computer era, 1 vs 2, and big, bad Clemson was left out - do you think it would be enough to create additional tweaks to the BCS system or blow the whole thing up?
The Rematch took care of that for us.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2019, 02:48:10 PM »
One rule I'd have is that a P5 team needs to schedule at least 10 other P5 level teams each year.  No 9 and 3s amd certainly no 8 and 4s.

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2019, 04:48:15 PM »
Isn't that the rule they already approved of?
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2019, 05:25:14 PM »
Isn't that the rule they already approved of?
Not that I know of.  Tennessee played only 8 P5 teams this past year, all in conference.  They routinely play nine, not ten.

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2019, 06:30:36 PM »
Yeah, but conferences have made exceptions for teams like BYU to be considered P5.  Minnesota successfully petitioned for Fresno State to be considered P5 and the Big Ten already considered Cincy to be P5.  

https://www.mwcconnection.com/2016/10/23/13364748/fresno-state-considered-power-five-program-by-big-ten

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2019, 06:37:11 PM »
Hahaha, they petition their own CONFERENCE?!?  What a joke!  I knew about ND and BYU, and that's fine I guess....but damn.  If Fresno freakin' State is P5, then 11 of us would be, too.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2019, 06:57:33 PM »
One rule I'd have is that a P5 team needs to schedule at least 10 other P5 level teams each year.  No 9 and 3s amd certainly no 8 and 4s.

If we're fantasizing about forcing rules onto other teams, then the first part of this rule would be, all P5 conferences play 9 conference games.

After that one's implemented, then I'd entertain a further rule about forcing teams to schedule 10 P5 teams.  At that point, it would be just one more P5 game in the OOC schedule which should be simple enough.


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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2019, 07:07:20 PM »
It depends who got to pick first. If it was the Sugar, they'd take Clemson.

The Orange Bowl was pretty loose after the XII came into play. Only after about 2002 or so did they make their perma-deal with the ACC, and they also had some sort of agreement with the Big East before that fell apart. Then the XII started going to the Fiesta a lot more often too.
The Big 12 began play in 1996.  All the way to the end of the Big 8, with three exceptions, the conference champ played in the Orange Bowl.  And the Big 12 champ played there after the 1996 and '97 seasons.

January 1, 1968 #3 Oklahoma 26 #2 Tennessee 24
January 1, 1969 #3 Penn State 15 #6 Kansas 14
January 1, 1970 #2 Penn State 10 #6 Missouri 3
January 1, 1971 #3 Nebraska 17 #5 LSU 12
January 1, 1972 #1 Nebraska 38 #2 Alabama 6
January 1, 1973 #9 Nebraska 40 #12 Notre Dame 6
January 1, 1974 #6 Penn State 16 #13 LSU 9 (Oklahoma was the conference champion but was on probation.)
January 1, 1975 #9 Notre Dame 13 #2 Alabama 11 (Oklahoma was the conference champion but was on probation.)
January 1, 1976 #3 Oklahoma 14 #5 Michigan 6
January 1, 1977 #11 Ohio State 27 #12 Colorado 10
January 2, 1978 #6 Arkansas 31 #2 Oklahoma 6
January 1, 1979 #4 Oklahoma 31 #6 Nebraska 24
January 1, 1980 #5 Oklahoma 24 #4 Florida State 7
January 1, 1981 #4 Oklahoma 18 #2 Florida State 17
January 1, 1982 #1 Clemson 22 #4 Nebraska 15
January 1, 1983 #3 Nebraska 21 #13 LSU 20
January 2, 1984 #5 Miami (Florida) 31 #1 Nebraska 30
January 1, 1985 #4 Washington 28 #2 Oklahoma 17
January 1, 1986 #3 Oklahoma 25 #1 Penn State 10
January 1, 1987 #3 Oklahoma 42 #9 Arkansas 8
January 1, 1988 #2 Miami (Florida) 20 #1 Oklahoma 14
January 2, 1989 #2 Miami (Florida) 23 #6 Nebraska 3
January 1, 1990 #4 Notre Dame 21 #1 Colorado 6
January 1, 1991 #1 Colorado 10 #5 Notre Dame 9
January 1, 1992 #1 Miami (Florida) 22 #11 Nebraska 0
January 1, 1993 #3 Florida State 27 #11 Nebraska 14
January 1, 1994BC #1 Florida State 18 #2 Nebraska 16
January 1, 1995BC #1 Nebraska 24 #3 Miami (Florida) 17
January 1, 1996 #6 Florida State 31 #8 Notre Dame 26 (Conference champion Nebraska played undefeated Florida in the Fiesta Bowl.)
December 31, 1996 #6 Nebraska 41 #10 Virginia Tech 21
January 2, 1998BA #2 Nebraska 42 #3 Tennessee 17
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2019, 07:11:51 PM »
How about if you schedule FCS, you're not eligible for the CFP? 

Now, that probably won't affect scheduling all that much for most teams. I.e. for Purdue, you're not going to worry about whether you're eligible for a 4-team playoff because frankly it just won't happen. But conferences currently allow for that scheduling, even the Big Ten who tried to go away from it. Apparently they allow it if it's a year you only get 4 conference home games so that you can get a "guarantee" game if you need it for revenue.

So why not make it a CFP requirement?

If you're Alabama, maybe you can't schedule that late-November tuneup against Towson. If you're Ohio State, the conference doesn't let you schedule FCS in years you have 5 conference home games, but maybe you don't schedule Youngstown State in the alternate year. 

Yeah, Purdue or Kentucky can add an FCS doormat to try to get closer to bowl-eligibility. But the big boys can't feed on cupcakes. 

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2019, 07:13:09 PM »
I second your motion, Bwarb.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2019, 07:21:39 PM »
I like it

serious outcry if a team like Minnesota or Baylor gets a few breaks and finishes undefeated with a FCS or two
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