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Topic: If we didn't have a playoff...

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #112 on: December 19, 2019, 08:02:10 AM »
Some, of us, view bowl games as mostly exhibitions, or something close to that.  Today, outside the playoff, they are becoming more akin to that for obvious reasons.  It harkens back to when polls were pre bowl and not post bowl and some NCs were won despite a bowl loss.

Teams often are playing short handed, usually the top level teams who have potential first round draft choices.  I suspect the minor bowls are still played closer to being "regular games".  A 8-4 team would rather be 9-4 than 8-5 (duh), so they all play hard.  The NY6 bowl games could see more "upsets" than usual because of this.

Of course, your bowl opponent is likely to be one of the 3 or so best teams you've faced all year, even if they are dogs.  Arguably for UGA, you might think Florida, Auburn, ND, and LSU are "better" than Baylor, perhaps, but Baylor is "up there in the mix" I think.  They played OU close twice, and had them down bad once.  I think Baylor is "misunderestimated" due to helmet, and they may well beat UGA, who is down five starters on offense already.


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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #113 on: December 19, 2019, 10:22:59 AM »
I think only LSU is better than Baylor, out of that list.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #114 on: December 19, 2019, 10:47:40 AM »
That could well be true, Florida and Auburn could be viewed as "on a par" with Baylor, maybe ND as well, give or take.

LSu appears to be elite.

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #115 on: December 19, 2019, 03:05:08 PM »
It is interesting that in the pre-BCS system, OU would have a chance at the NC, like they do this year. 




Say what you want about the old system, but it HAD to be frustrating to be #2 behind a #1 team who only had to beat #11 or #8 or whatever, due to conference-bowl tie-ins.
or worse, thinking 1984
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #116 on: December 19, 2019, 03:08:04 PM »
1984 was a nadir, but 1980 was a something also.  Pitt had an excellent team, but lost a game, while UGA skirted with disaster repeatedly but finished 12-0 by beating #7 ranked ND.  Had they faced #2 Pitt, well, things might have gone differently.


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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #117 on: December 19, 2019, 03:23:27 PM »
also frustrating if you are #2 and trying to impress voters and get a matchup with a 3 loss AP ranked #12 Oregon Duck team in the 95 Rose bowl
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #118 on: December 19, 2019, 03:25:31 PM »
I also recall #2 Texas in the Cotton Bowl in 1984.  Number 1 had lost earlier in the day, and Texas was crushing an inferior opponent defensively and led 9-3 late in the game and only had to field a punt and run out the clock to win.  Muffed it.

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #119 on: December 19, 2019, 03:27:19 PM »
I also recall #2 Texas in the Cotton Bowl in 1984.  Number 1 had lost earlier in the day, and Texas was crushing an inferior opponent defensively and led 9-3 late in the game and only had to field a punt and run out the clock to win.  Muffed it.
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #120 on: December 19, 2019, 03:29:30 PM »
What if "we" could magically trade a win for a loss?  They would have to be equivalent games, major bowl games in particular.  You could win one you had lost, but only by losing one you had won.  

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #121 on: December 19, 2019, 03:44:55 PM »
that would be fun

I'd have to trade an Orange bowl win for that 2-point conversion that was missed in the 84 Orange
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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #122 on: December 19, 2019, 03:48:09 PM »
I'll trade the 1/1/2015 Cotton Bowl win for the 12/31/2015 Cotton Bowl loss

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #123 on: December 19, 2019, 06:48:37 PM »
This is hard, I hate to give up ANY major win of course. :)

I suppose I might trade that 83/84 Cotton Bowl loss to Georgia that CD so politely mentioned above, for the 2004/5 Rose Bowl win against Michigan.  As long as Nebraska still lost to Miami that day, and Texas got the MNC.  

Although I do really love that Rose Bowl win against Michigan.  If Texas had lost that game, it might not have set up the 2005 national championship run.

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #124 on: December 19, 2019, 06:51:40 PM »
That '84 Texas team was loaded on defense.  They clearly should have won.  Sorry.

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Re: If we didn't have a playoff...
« Reply #125 on: December 19, 2019, 06:53:27 PM »
That '84 Texas team was loaded on defense.  They clearly should have won.  Sorry.
heh.  That's why they play the games! :)

But yeah that defense was so good.  Back then, Texas had good to great defenses EVERY year.  I sure miss those days.

 

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